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#21 Boost_Junky

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 09:36 PM

View PostEricF, on 27 June 2009 - 09:28 PM, said:

Good post. That said, the 300/70 19T actuator should be more than sufficient if it's in good shape. Given how much travel these actuator springs need to do, I wonder if they ever start to get tired?

My 19T/manual setup was absolutely dead rock solid with just a bleed type manual boost controller, even to 23-24 psi it would hold the target boost level until redline.

I would try messing with actuator arm preload, less preload should be less spiking. Aside from that, maybe try a new or different actuator. The 300/70 worked perfectly fine for me, but maybe not for others.

As an aside, on my blue car currently (B21FT with nice-flowing head and decent cam), I spike 24-25 psi and fade to 19-21. This is with the angle outlet housing and the wastegate flapper essentially wired shut. With a ported conical housing and the same setup otherwise, the fade was to 16-17 psi by redline. I think now it may be the exhaust limiting it, or it could just be the turbine wheel itself though based on my past experiences with the 19T I'm inclined to try other things before accepting that possibility.


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Exhaust was a big reason for my boost fade. There were three factors though, exhaust, boost control and the turbo was dying. I upgraded the actuator to fresh unit off a 16T, put a 3" downpipe on and then rebuilt the turbo. After that, I got rid of the MBC because it wasn't doing me any favors. Boost fade was radically improved. To be honest, I drive like a grandma most of the time, so I don't really notice any at all. When I get on it, it holds like it should. I run a 15g at 17psi and it might fade to 15psi or so in the very high RPMs.

When it first started to fade I went through my IC pipes, tightened the actuator and messed with the MBC settings. I took off a brand new CBV and checked it for leaks. I put more spacers in the CBV and cleaned the CBV mating surfaces. I was scratching my head and checking things twice. Boost fade was still there.



There are dual nipple actuators that are very strong. I think 10psi. You're situation is different than mine in the way that your turbo is moving more air and has higher PSI's too. So you'll need to allow more exhaust and have a stronger actuator. If you're running an MBC or EBC, remember that it's telling the actuator what to do. It can compensate for small issues by adjusting it but it can also create others.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:36 PM

you can always get a garrett wastegate , i'll be bolting in a 19T soon but mine is coming with a garrett wastegate , higher boost with less fade (should be no fade at 19psi) :)

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:31 AM

View PostJCviggen, on 01 July 2009 - 11:00 AM, said:

Why does it only go to 5500rpm? It's at 6-6.5 that the 19T really drops off, no surprise at 5.5K :)


That was with the stock (IPD) rev limit, and the shop didn't want to run it up to 6K <_< - If I ever go back to them once TT is in place (it is a Mustang Dyno), I'll make sure they run it up to at least ,65K.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 01:50 AM

View PostAutotechnica, on 27 June 2009 - 02:58 PM, said:

Anyways, I have N/A cams sitting in my basement, do they help at all?

Oh hell yeah man! I noticed a much stronger pull throughout the rev range after installing my n/a cams....and having Hussein get my timing right :lol: But you definitely need those cams if you want a strong top end (which I'm assuming you do?). With just my 15g, it was the fastest stock ecu'd 850 I've ever been in. All I had was a really good stg. 0, 12psi, n/a cams, r manifold and 3" exhaust. After I put the 16t on, it got even better. I'm currently working on a Fiore-style turbozilla right now....so we'll see where/how that goes :ph34r:
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 03:31 AM

will na s60 cams do the same thing to my car ?

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 05:00 AM

View Postlookforjoe, on 02 July 2009 - 12:31 AM, said:

That was with the stock (IPD) rev limit, and the shop didn't want to run it up to 6K <_< - If I ever go back to them once TT is in place (it is a Mustang Dyno), I'll make sure they run it up to at least ,65K.


funny...out of the box the rev limit on TT is set at 6400

i will change it to 6800 once I go for tuning in the future....sorry to threadjack.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:26 AM

View PostNaughty33W, on 02 July 2009 - 03:31 AM, said:

will na s60 cams do the same thing to my car ?

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:48 AM

View PostB Mac, on 02 July 2009 - 01:50 AM, said:

Oh hell yeah man! I noticed a much stronger pull throughout the rev range after installing my n/a cams

When you say "throughout", does that include power between idle and ~2500? The N/A cams have more lift, which I've always seen to be detrimental to torque in low air velocity situations (low rpm or partial throttle)

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 04:19 PM

View Postozzimark, on 02 July 2009 - 11:48 AM, said:

When you say "throughout", does that include power between idle and ~2500? The N/A cams have more lift, which I've always seen to be detrimental to torque in low air velocity situations (low rpm or partial throttle)

I can do burnouts in 5th at idle.

View PostNaughty33W, on 02 July 2009 - 03:31 AM, said:

will na s60 cams do the same thing to my car ?

Pointless, you have variable valve timing homie :tup:
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 04:43 PM

View PostB Mac, on 04 July 2009 - 04:19 PM, said:


Pointless, you have variable valve timing homie :tup:

ahh thats right , i hate too threadjack off topic , but , will vvt (timing adjustment) compensate for adding wmi ??? message me with an answer so we dont get this thread going crazy hahahha , thanks

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Posted 10 July 2009 - 01:49 AM

View PostNaughty33W, on 04 July 2009 - 04:43 PM, said:

ahh thats right , i hate too threadjack off topic , but , will vvt (timing adjustment) compensate for adding wmi ??? message me with an answer so we dont get this thread going crazy hahahha , thanks
One thing to keep in mind... Volvo's VVT is set up for reduced emissions, not increased power. ;)





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