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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:36 AM

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I have been considering ST's 12 psi tune for my 2000 S70 AWD for a few weeks now and have a few questions for the experienced. Ideally, I would love to have IPD's tune. I just cannot afford that kind of money with two young children. So, I plan to go with the ST tune as mentioned. Car is running a 15G and R mani, R dual exhaust, but is otherwise stock. I plan to run blue injectors as well (I know the stock oranges would have done it, but I'd rather be cautious that risk any damage). Will these be too much, or will the tune accomodate them if I inform Oliver to tune for them?

Has anyone used both the IPD and ST tunes? How do they compare? Someone had mentioned that some tuning companies (none mentioned in particular) may raise the boost level, but the car becomes actually slower than stock, as the fuel and timing maps aren't correct. How so the ST tunes run on the ME7 LPT cars? Are they worth it, or should I save for a year for IPD's :D?

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 02:18 AM

If I were you and wanted ST drive to him and have it done.

Other wise go with IPD oliver is a bit mail retarded personally I wouldnt trust him with mailing a $1500 ecu
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 02:54 AM

View PostChilled Man, on 07 October 2009 - 02:18 AM, said:

If I were you and wanted ST drive to him and have it done.

Other wise go with IPD oliver is a bit mail retarded personally I wouldnt trust him with mailing a $1500 ecu

Justin,

I agree 100%. If I go with ST (which I am nearly certain I will), I'll have it done there. Too many horror stories of no-starts, lost ECU's etc.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 05:28 AM

I'm not impressed with Speed Tuning. I haven't used an IPD tune yet so I can't say anything about their tunes, but ST is disappointing.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 06:00 AM

I am very impressed with my ST17psi tune. I just told oliver what I wanted and I had it back within 2 days of mailing it. He did send it back in a envelope rather than a box which is not the best of ideas.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 07:16 AM

I had one of the st horror stories, and oliver does have horrible packing, but he is a nice guy, and he worked through it. He fixed it with no questions asked and my car was down for less than 2 weeks. For the money I would go with st over ipd. But I would reconsider the 12psi. For the 15G I would go with the 15psi tune. Your always gonna want more boost and since you have a 2000 car you have an ME7 ecu so you cannot use a mbc. So the only way to boost boost is by chipping the car. (I am in the same vote and got the 17psi tune, which is on the upper end of the turbo and I have a 16T instead of a 15G. 15psi is very standard though, and I think most people would agree with me on getting that one. Since you have exhaust and everything your car will be fine if you have a good stage 0. Maybe do an intake though.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:50 PM

Your AWD can be flashed by just about anyone that knows the ME7
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:10 PM

if you email oliver in advance and tell him that you want him to ship your ECU back in a box, he will do so for an extra $15. my ecu was subsequently overnighted to ST inside an antistatic bag inside a padded envelope inside another padded envelope inside a PC component box inside another component box.

...and then it was sent back to me w/out the "outer" component box and it was DOA(!) which of course needed to be sent back to ST - all in all, the car was out of commission for ten days.

his T5 tunes for ME7 LPT cars seem to be pretty good. prior to the tune(15 psi aka stage 1), i was getting about ~320-330 miles per tank before the low fuel warning light lit up. as of this morning, the trip odometer was at ~310 miles with 2 gallons remaining.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:02 PM

View Postdb130, on 07 October 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

if you email oliver in advance and tell him that you want him to ship your ECU back in a box, he will do so for an extra $15. my ecu was subsequently overnighted to ST inside an antistatic bag inside a padded envelope inside another padded envelope inside a PC component box inside another component box.

...and then it was sent back to me w/out the "outer" component box and it was DOA(!) which of course needed to be sent back to ST - all in all, the car was out of commission for ten days.

his T5 tunes for ME7 LPT cars seem to be pretty good. prior to the tune(15 psi aka stage 1), i was getting about ~320-330 miles per tank before the low fuel warning light lit up. as of this morning, the trip odometer was at ~310 miles with 2 gallons remaining.

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I will say that his tunes even though to me leave alot to be desired the gas mileage is on par with a stock chip, possibly a little better even.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:34 PM

Yeah, I will have to agree with that. I have lost two miles per gallon going from being stock to running the 16T, exhaust, intake chip.....not bad. But I gained a little mileage after getting the speedtuning tune.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:58 PM

I have only had the IPD tune and it is fantastic. I run it with a MBC on my 850 set to 16 PSI so that I can get the fast spooling of a MBC with the reliability of a tune.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 02:42 AM

If you like russian roulette or want to roll a dice, feel free to go with speed tunning.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:09 AM

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If you like russian roulette or want to roll a dice, feel free to go with speed tunning.

Haha, thats a good way to put it actually. ST is definitely a gamble. It does seem that Oliver's tunes are better for some models than others, but my 17psi tune for my 850 is absolute crap. I had the opportunity to trade a friend with the IPD stage II and was MUCH more impressed with it.

I think the fact that Oliver is such a nice guy is half the problem. Everyone wants to save money (poor college kid here) and after talking to the guy you convince yourself his products must be good haha. If you can actually go to him to have it done I imagine that would produce a much better tune. But you get what you pay for. Good luck on the project.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:00 AM

Oliver is a fat bastard. He only acts like he doesn't know why its messed up when you get it. Its all a game with him. You get what you pay for.

Why is it that you never hear about IPD's tunes messing up a ECU? IPD is a reputable company. Oliver is trailer trash, he rents out half of a trailer so he can have a desk with a stack of ecu's and his computer to flash. There is no work bench, thats his desk, if he brings work home the work bench is his dining room table. between the two freaking stupid 150lb dogs he gots, i wonder if he can get your ecu working right. oh yeah lets hope the cat doesnt walk over your ecu while he is working on it at his house.

This dude is a piece of work, i used to give him the benifit of the doubt. Now i finally know his game. Take your money flash your ecu with a tune from someone over in the UK. Thats why so may of the tunes do not work right, they for euro cars. He does this with all the ecus he works on.

My rant is based off of a $1900 issue i have with him. He's getting served and taken to small claims court. If it wasn't for this $1900, i'd recommend him for a tune :D
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 05:57 AM

View PostGhost Shadow, on 18 October 2009 - 02:00 AM, said:

Oliver is a fat bastard. He only acts like he doesn't know why its messed up when you get it. Its all a game with him. You get what you pay for.

Why is it that you never hear about IPD's tunes messing up a ECU? IPD is a reputable company. Oliver is trailer trash, he rents out half of a trailer so he can have a desk with a stack of ecu's and his computer to flash. There is no work bench, thats his desk, if he brings work home the work bench is his dining room table. between the two freaking stupid 150lb dogs he gots, i wonder if he can get your ecu working right. oh yeah lets hope the cat doesnt walk over your ecu while he is working on it at his house.

This dude is a piece of work, i used to give him the benifit of the doubt. Now i finally know his game. Take your money flash your ecu with a tune from someone over in the UK. Thats why so may of the tunes do not work right, they for euro cars. He does this with all the ecus he works on.

My rant is based off of a $1900 issue i have with him. He's getting served and taken to small claims court. If it wasn't for this $1900, i'd recommend him for a tune :D

Just to let you know IPD stage III has blown a couple motors and there is some controversy over their stage III tunes. Also the ST chip I have does work well to oliver's credit, however I do not like the tune.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 08:09 AM

I guess im one of the lucky ones, got the tune back in July have not had a problem with it, pulls hard too. But I have heard ST is hit or miss. bottom line, you get what you pay for.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 12:16 PM

View PostBoost3237, on 18 October 2009 - 05:57 AM, said:

Just to let you know IPD stage III has blown a couple motors and there is some controversy over their stage III tunes. Also the ST chip I have does work well to oliver's credit, however I do not like the tune.

stage 3 tune from IPD, lets get this straight. we are talking basic tune here with that fat fuck. he can
t get that right. he cant get shipping in the proper package right.

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I guess im one of the lucky ones, got the tune back in July have not had a problem with it, pulls hard too. But I have heard ST is hit or miss. bottom line, you get what you pay for.

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http://forums.mbworl...amages-ecu.html
http://forums.vwvort...read?id=4505317
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http://www.passatwor...d.php?p=2413338
http://www.vwfixx.co...php/t49201.html
http://www.matthewsv...&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:26 PM

I don't understand why he charges $15 to ship a ecu back in a proper package.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:55 PM

Ive used the 15 psi and 17psi SpeedTuning versions, both are incredible, especially with water/meth.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:00 PM

View PostGhost Shadow, on 18 October 2009 - 02:00 AM, said:

Oliver is a fat bastard. He only acts like he doesn't know why its messed up when you get it. Its all a game with him. You get what you pay for.

Why is it that you never hear about IPD's tunes messing up a ECU? IPD is a reputable company. Oliver is trailer trash, he rents out half of a trailer so he can have a desk with a stack of ecu's and his computer to flash. There is no work bench, thats his desk, if he brings work home the work bench is his dining room table. between the two freaking stupid 150lb dogs he gots, i wonder if he can get your ecu working right. oh yeah lets hope the cat doesnt walk over your ecu while he is working on it at his house.

This dude is a piece of work, i used to give him the benifit of the doubt. Now i finally know his game. Take your money flash your ecu with a tune from someone over in the UK. Thats why so may of the tunes do not work right, they for euro cars. He does this with all the ecus he works on.

My rant is based off of a $1900 issue i have with him. He's getting served and taken to small claims court. If it wasn't for this $1900, i'd recommend him for a tune :D
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