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[Spanky]

UPDATE: SOLD
I have a few of these which will include:
1)Compressor housing milled to spec
2)Either a new 18T or 19T wheel

This is a simple and affordable upgrade for anyone who wants to turn there TD04HL turbo into either a 18T or 19T.

Price is $200 + shipping
(+ a $50 dollar core that I will refund you if you when mail me your old compressor housing) Dont need anymore cores

**I can do a detailed write up for anyone uncomfortable with switching there housing and compressor wheel.

[magicaljake]

could we just throw everything togeather and start the car up?....or would we need to get it ballanced?...and if so where could i get that done and roughly how much would it cost?

[DonutsDemise]

magicaljake, on 11 October 2009 - 06:25 AM, said:

could we just throw everything togeather and start the car up?....or would we need to get it ballanced?...and if so where could i get that done and roughly how much would it cost?

you would have to get the rotating assembly balanced. cost me $60 but i found someone local and i went to his shop.

[Spanky]

magicaljake, on 11 October 2009 - 06:25 AM, said:

could we just throw everything togeather and start the car up?....or would we need to get it ballanced?...and if so where could i get that done and roughly how much would it cost?

You could do either or. The new compressor wheels come balanced. If you felt uncomfortable with not balancing it you can shop around and have your CHRA rebalanced for $30-70 dollars.

[DonutsDemise]

SPANKY, on 11 October 2009 - 07:56 AM, said:

You could do either or. The new compressor wheels come balanced. If you felt uncomfortable with not balancing it you can shop around and have your CHRA rebalanced for $30-70 dollars.

but once you put it together its out of balance. if you're going to put 200 bucks into a turbo, may as well put in a couple more bucks so it lasts more than 5000 miles.

[turbor850]

SPANKY, on 11 October 2009 - 07:56 AM, said:

You could do either or. The new compressor wheels come balanced. If you felt uncomfortable with not balancing it you can shop around and have your CHRA rebalanced for $30-70 dollars.

It NEEDS to be balanced, unless you want your turbo to go in a couple thousand miles.

[volvoluvin]

PM'd...

[Spanky]

DonutsDemise, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

but once you put it together its out of balance. if you're going to put 200 bucks into a turbo, may as well put in a couple more bucks so it lasts more than 5000 miles.

turbor850, on 11 October 2009 - 04:07 PM, said:

It NEEDS to be balanced, unless you want your turbo to go in a couple thousand miles.

And at a 100K+ miles most turbos should be rebuilt, something know one on this board seems to acknowledge. Will the turbo not last as long "yes". Will the turbo completely fall apart within a few thousand miles "I highly doubt it". I balance ALL the turbos with compressor wheel upgrades I rebuild. Like I said "its up to you". Balancing has been talked about more than once on this forum, and you guys are more than welcome to start a need thread about the topic. There is about 3 types of balancing so make sure you do your homework, before you put them all into one category. Internal efficiency is lost through too much play, but on the same note so isn't a turbo that is full of carbon deposits, with wheels covered in resin.

[Grocery_Getter_96]

How Many Of These Are Available? Please PM Me If You still have a 19t available!

[JOHN96850R]

Also Pm me your contact# if you have a 18t available. Thanks

[lookforjoe]

Seems like a fair deal. I'd be comfortable installing that as is My son could use one of the 18T setups

[shanehutton]

Are these aftermarket wheels or O.E.? The reason why I ask is because there is a great deal of difference between some of the wheels I have seen.

If they are O.E wheels then I am interested in a 18T or 19T set-up

[Zaitz]

Aren't mitsu turbos balanced separately on each side? Which is why when you buy a wheel it comes balanced? This is what I have seen anyway.

[Ipd]

Granted, but you still have to balance them together as an assembly.
The weight variation on each end has to be taken account for not just the sole rotational balance of each wheel.

I've put them together without balancing them and they'll last around 20K miles most times.
But for the limited effort and minimal cost I have since always had mine balanced.

[HayaCruza]

Ipd - Lucky, on 13 October 2009 - 09:25 PM, said:

I've put them together without balancing them and they'll last around 20K miles most times.
But for the limited effort and minimal cost I have since always had mine balanced.

Lucky, since you seem to have some experience with just putting a new wheel on without balancing, what was the failure mode at 20K (major, minor) and was the turbo recently rebuilt prior to adding the new wheel? Maybe the turbo was going out in 25K miles and you just shortened its life a little rather than actually causing the failure. Just asking?


To the OP, good deal, I consider this to be a service for many people just getting the machine work done saves a lot of time and effort for the average person.

[Ipd]

The turbo I put together had a few miles on it for sure, probably around 60K.
At the end it just started smoking a bit and there was significant shaft play.

I should mention, this is what prompted me to develop the HD CBV as I suspected the increased boost pressure may have overcome the stock CBV and added additional side load to the compressor wheel resulting in the bearings wearing out.

Hard to say either way for sure, but I still think balancing it is the best option.

To the OP, if you were able to provide a rebuilt/balanced 18T/19T ready to go I bet most folks would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for them.
Just a thought.

[rbodor3]

dude. killer f'n deal.

[volvoluvin]

Couple questions.

My 16T does nothing above 16psi, proven by Dyno testing. With the 18T upgrade to the cold side, will I be able to hit 18psi and see an applicable increase in HP? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but I'm still going to ask it. (My tune is set up for 18psi, so I know the fuel is there)

I've not pulled a turbo apart before, but I'm far from frightened to do so...How difficult of a swap is this? *edit*/Just reread the OP 1st post - Detailed write up would be good yes...

Thirdly - Anyone in Vancouver, BC know of a good place to get this thing balanced?

Cheers
-phil

[washdup]

Is the turbine wheel the same on a 16T as on a 18T/19T?

[Spanky]

JOHN96850R, on 12 October 2009 - 02:13 AM, said:

Also Pm me your contact# if you have a 18t available. Thanks

PM sent

lookforjoe, on 13 October 2009 - 03:08 AM, said:

Seems like a fair deal. I'd be comfortable installing that as is My son could use one of the 18T setups

Just let me know if you need one Joe .

shanehutton, on 13 October 2009 - 06:24 PM, said:

Are these aftermarket wheels or O.E.? The reason why I ask is because there is a great deal of difference between some of the wheels I have seen.

If they are O.E wheels then I am interested in a 18T or 19T set-up

They are not MIT wheels. All my turbo wheels, parts and rebuild kits are from a high quality turbo aftermarket supplier.

Ipd - Lucky, on 13 October 2009 - 09:25 PM, said:

Granted, but you still have to balance them together as an assembly.
The weight variation on each end has to be taken account for not just the sole rotational balance of each wheel.

I've put them together without balancing them and they'll last around 20K miles most times.
But for the limited effort and minimal cost I have since always had mine balanced.

There is actually a few ways to balance the CHRA/Turbo. Some of the newer technology is that much more precise then some of the older machines.
30k+ and 40k+ for two local people who wanted to just throw a bigger wheel on a few years ago.. and still going. How hard you push the turbo has a lot to do with it.

My 2 pennies
Perspective is everything!! For those who baby every inch of their car, and this is there only car, or DD>>> get it balanced. For people who this is going on a project car, who have 2-3 spare turbos at home, who don't mind taking these apart...do whatever you want

HayaCruza, on 13 October 2009 - 09:39 PM, said:

To the OP, good deal, I consider this to be a service for many people just getting the machine work done saves a lot of time and effort for the average person.

TY, and NO I am not making a ton of money by doing this (helps me buy a few parts myself ). I figured it would help out the guys who have 1-3 low mileage 13g/t's laying around, or for people like Hussein who enjoy doing things like this. It also should be good for the guys who want to upgrade but don't want to have a long downtime.

Ipd - Lucky, on 13 October 2009 - 09:54 PM, said:

To the OP, if you were able to provide a rebuilt/balanced 18T/19T ready to go I bet most folks would be willing to pay a reasonable amount for them.
Just a thought.

ORLY??? I never really thought about that....

I prefer OG over OP

volvoluvin, on 14 October 2009 - 04:20 AM, said:

Couple questions.

My 16T does nothing above 16psi, proven by Dyno testing. With the 18T upgrade to the cold side, will I be able to hit 18psi and see an applicable increase in HP? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but I'm still going to ask it. (My tune is set up for 18psi, so I know the fuel is there)

I've not pulled a turbo apart before, but I'm far from frightened to do so...How difficult of a swap is this? *edit*/Just reread the OP 1st post - Detailed write up would be good yes...

Thirdly - Anyone in Vancouver, BC know of a good place to get this thing balanced?

Cheers
-phil

Taking a turbo apart is not to hard at all if you take your time and have a few select tools. I am more than willing to answer any question you might have when the time comes. I will work on a write up for changing the compressor wheel and a complete rebuild.

Your not going over 16psi on a 18psi tune....The first thing that comes mind is CBV, actuator or boost leak. I am sure it could be anything from difference between turbo/manifold pressure, intercooling, all the way to something with the BCS/tune.

Personally I would ask some of the other members (Lucky, EricF, Johann or even Chuck)who know more about tuning and the whole system in general.

If you need someone to balance your CHRA shoot me a PM

washdup, on 14 October 2009 - 04:32 AM, said:

Is the turbine wheel the same on a 16T as on a 18T/19T?

ALL TD04HL's have the same turbine wheel.