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[freeskier8585]

my two cents, i live in a high labor area and while i was visiting with a work crew today that my friend works on i had a startling realization. As he sat there and talked to me, he explained that he had just come off 3 back to back shifts installing irregation equipment, he said that becuase of the new fear of prosecution almost none of the workers have come back for the summer, forcing him (he works for his dad) to work back to back shifts. I thought maybe it was an isolated incedent in the town so i checked the want adds, all 8 pages of them, and when you live in a town of about 4000 people, thats alot of jobs. Now some might say "victory" weve created jobs for americans, others might say "stuff" i have to pay out the jerk for goods and services in my town now. But to be honest it hasnt really affected me, and all i ask for is some legislation that allows guest workers to come in and work, pay taxes, etc and go home when they want. Because in reality i bet there are hundreds of people in my town right now without jobs, but becuase they refuse to do the back breaking labor that the immigrants provide, they will continue to not have jobs. Hey im all for border patrol, but at some point one has to realize that our economy is dependant on the influx of cheap labor and that unless americans want to start doing crappy jobs, they might as well let someone else do it cheaper.

quick edit: if we allow more legal immigrants and drasticlly cut the illegal sector of it those numbers dont sound so high, considering the number of illegals is in the millions.

Edited by freeskier8585, 19 May 2006 - 11:45 PM.

[javadoc]

My illegal imigrants did a nice job on spring clean-up and thatching of my lawn.

[Chris_R]

Do you think an 'undocumented worker' would still do X job for 50 bucks if he knew 35% of it was going to Uncle Sam?




Me either.

[javadoc]

No, it'd be $100.

I gotta pay taxes, gringo!

[freeskier8585]

i think they would, even if they paid 50% in taxes its still 5x more than they could make in mexico

[davidclanton]

I took this pic of this guy's license plate frame yesterday in California. The top is a Mexican flag and the bottom says "America". What does that mean? Does he want Mexico to retake part of America or does he want America to adopt the Mexican flag? Just imagine how all of America would be plagued by corruption and illiteracy and desparation if that was the case (if America was like Mexico).

[starfish]

my two cents, i live in a high labor area and while i was visiting with a work crew today that my friend works on i had a startling realization. As he sat there and talked to me, he explained that he had just come off 3 back to back shifts installing irregation equipment, he said that becuase of the new fear of prosecution almost none of the workers have come back for the summer, forcing him (he works for his dad) to work back to back shifts. I thought maybe it was an isolated incedent in the town so i checked the want adds, all 8 pages of them, and when you live in a town of about 4000 people, thats alot of jobs. Now some might say "victory" weve created jobs for americans, others might say "stuff" i have to pay out the jerk for goods and services in my town now. But to be honest it hasnt really affected me, and all i ask for is some legislation that allows guest workers to come in and work, pay taxes, etc and go home when they want. Because in reality i bet there are hundreds of people in my town right now without jobs, but becuase they refuse to do the back breaking labor that the immigrants provide, they will continue to not have jobs. Hey im all for border patrol, but at some point one has to realize that our economy is dependant on the influx of cheap labor and that unless americans want to start doing crappy jobs, they might as well let someone else do it cheaper.

quick edit: if we allow more legal immigrants and drasticlly cut the illegal sector of it those numbers dont sound so high, considering the number of illegals is in the millions.

This is not about having un-skilled workers performing jobs of little interest by American workers. This is an uncontrolled invasion of undocumented, unskilled. uneducated, people who have violated our border and have zero interest in assimilation into the American culture or language butwith help from the liberal Democrats are demanding rights from our government at all of our expense. We are literally paying taxation for their representation! For security reasons alone this situation needs to get controlled right now. There are alot of OTM's coming over that we need to be concerned about.

You stated "But to be honest it hasn't really affected me". These are not just lawncutters, vegetable pickers or chicken feather pluckers who are arriving here illegally. Many of these illegals are taking over jobs Americans want such as many of the Union workers jobs. Why these Unions continue to support the backstabbing they get from their Democratic candidates they continually support is beyond me but that is another topic. The facts are that many of these people carry communicable disease that is not common to the United States. There is no way that any European or elsewhere immigrant could come into this country via Ellis Island and not have a clean bill of health. 29% of incarcerated inmates are these "friendly hardworking migrants" for criminal activity unrelated to their border hopping while us taxpayers foot the bill. With the number of projected illegal aliens to arrive here, our country, our government and all of us citizens, the land and our natural resources will be bankrupted.

A huge problem is in the liberals use of the United States Constitution which states:

Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Those words were written not to keep out illegal aliens, but to abolish slavery and overturn the Dred Scott case. Now these same words are being used by our scumbag liberal politicians who support this border jumping and their anchor babies as a way of increasing their voter base to re-gain lost power at the expense of turning this beloved country into a third-world nation. Where do you think these poor people got the money and organization to front all of the protests?

[davidclanton]

Very well put Starfish, I wish more people on both sides of the aisle would understand the far reaching consequences of illegal immigration.

[Serge]

I sure as hell didn't.

Neither did I. The only thing their protest did was make me furious at the fact that I had to wait in traffic longer.

And if they want to argue about anything.. I'll tell them how my parents came here legally, went to a community college to learn English and get a basic degree (even though they both have Masters degrees in engineering in Russia), cleaned people's houses to pay for that and support my sister and me... finally they got good jobs and were able to afford nice things like a house (our house is worth $1.2M, fully remodeled inside) and cars. All I'm saying is that my parents were able to accomplish things that others can as well... what my parents DIDN'T do is complain about their rights, because they took the effort to come in legally.

Edited by LiquidKernel, 21 May 2006 - 12:35 AM.

[JESSEXC]

I understand where most of you are coming from but do me a favor. Watch Chasing El Norte on Discovery Times.



http://times.discovery.com/tvlistings/seri...d=0&channel=DTC

[starfish]

Below is a story about Francine Busby, the Democratic candidate for the 50th Congressional District of California.

Busby has focused her campaign on ethics reform after the failures of Duke Cunningham. It seems that ethics must not apply to herself. She was campaigning before a largely Latino crowd in Escondido (probably not to hard to find) when she said, “You don't need papers for voting” urging illegal immigrants to vote for her in the upcoming election.

The article states that Busby says she doesn't support amnesty, but backs the comprehensive plan pushed by McCain, that includes "opening a path to citizenship for people in the United States illegally if they pay penalties and abide by certain conditions."

How could an astute candidate like Ms. Busby, run for a high law office and as part of their platform support an unconstititional bill such as the one proposed by Senators McCain and Kennedy?

How dumb can these Senators McCain/Kennedy be to propose a bill that would have illegal immigrants pay back taxes before applying for citizenship?

There's just one problem. The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits revenue-raising legislation i.e. taxes, tax cuts, etc from originating in the Senate. All bills for raising revenue must originate in the House of Representatives.

That my friends is another example of our so called "trusted politicians" bullshi**in the populace. The Senae bill is a bunch of crap that they know is a failure. These guys are all afraid of the political third-rail which is truthful, fair and honest reform of illegal immigration. I doubt we will see ANY reform passed prior to the 2006 election, just more pandering.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politic...-1mi3busby.html