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[matt b]

I saw article in Wall Street Journal, that bmw got plans for volvo...

yeah saw it too, rumors for now....

[waldendan]

Yes I stated that they were "sharing" platforms but realistically they are taking the Volvo platforms and using them within Ford. So as someone pointed out to me at least they are not incorporating FORD parts into VOLVOS.

So ultimately not a bad thing?

so apparently you haven't been under a new Volvo lately. Lets just say there is allot of FoMoCo under the car. And not to mention the Volvo Taurus... I mean S80 looks so not Volvo it makes me sick, ie:Riveted ball joints, stamped steel suspension parts, aka piece of CRAP. Even their grand new 3.2L straight six has FoMoCo stamped right on the engine. Now don't take this the wrong way, I love my Volvo's and don't want to drive anything else but the only good thing Ford has done is made Volvo come out with new models quickly, other than that they didn't really have much influence until new S40 and everything 05 and up- for the most part anyways

[Karlson]

give me a break. that s80 is the best looking S80 that was every produced, and interior looks much better

[turbormonkey]

They might as well call it an s-taurus, haha. I feel bad for the future of volvo unless a private company buys them, ford is getting more involved with each passing year in their parts suppliers and operations and will soon be a modified Ford with a Modified Price tag.

[waldendan]

give me a break. that s80 is the best looking S80 that was every produced, and interior looks much better

I never said a damn thing about how it looks, I think it is a damn sexy machine, but go drive one, and not just around the block, really drive one, it just doesn't feel like anything, almost as boring as a Lexus (not the IS300 or what ever their smaller car is, I mean the big grandma car) Yes it does have some cool stuff in it but it just doesn't communicate the road to you like the old Volvo models. Just my opinion, but they took the uniqeness out of the car and how it feels, looks like a Volvo drives like a Taurus(just with more power if you get the V8 and spend like 50-60 grand!!)

[PharmD]

I never said a damn thing about how it looks, I think it is a damn sexy machine, but go drive one, and not just around the block, really drive one, it just doesn't feel like anything, almost as boring as a Lexus (not the IS300 or what ever their smaller car is, I mean the big grandma car) Yes it does have some cool stuff in it but it just doesn't communicate the road to you like the old Volvo models. Just my opinion, but they took the uniqeness out of the car and how it feels, looks like a Volvo drives like a Taurus(just with more power if you get the V8 and spend like 50-60 grand!!)

I agree with some of that. I personally was not impressed with the new S80, V8 or otherwise (haven't ridden in a T6, but I don't think a middle ground engine is going to help anything). The S40's struck me the same way from day one as well. I'm sure the evolution of the 60 is headed in the same direction.

[waldendan]

I agree with some of that. I personally was not impressed with the new S80, V8 or otherwise haven't ridden in a T6, but I don't think a middle ground engine is going to help anything). The S40's struck me the same way from day one as well. I'm sure the evolution of the 60 is headed in the same direction.

I don't think the 40's are too bad. They are fun to drive and the turbo has no lag, they just go. I had a Mazda 3 for a while and even with out the power of the T5 it was a blast too drive. In my opinion the only thing missing from the current 40 is a R model but we all know how that will end up!!

[matty.bou]

Volvo eyes uncertain future
By Nigel Cassidy
Business reporter, BBC News, Gothenburg, Sweden

Gingerly, I slide into the drivers seat, engaged - OK crunched - the clutch and edged a shiny red Volvo Amazon down the test track at a stately pace.

Driving a mint condition 1957 Amazon - or Volvo 121 - is my little treat after a busy day of filming for BBC News at Volvo's Gothenburg headquarters in Southern Sweden.

With its extended rear wings, padded dashboard and European-meets-American styling, the Amazon was the vehicle that cemented Volvo's global reputation for making safe and solid cars.

It also helped build a profitable export business.

Forty years on, and the global car market is much tougher.

Yet, incredibly, Volvo Cars remains profitable. with record exports to Russia and China.

Possible sale

In 1999, Volvo was heavily burdened by the prohibitive cost of developing new cars. It was sold to the US automotive giant Ford Motor, and soon became the company's premier flagship in Europe.

There are really three alternatives for Ford
Claes de Neergaard, Industrifonden

Volvo also gained access to Ford engines and drive trains.

It helped Volvo bring on a whole new generation of vehicles, like the best selling XC90 sports utility vehicle, or its C70 convertible.

But now Ford is determined to put the wheels back on its struggling core business in America.

Volvo is a sacred cow that may have to be sacrificed.

That means Volvo must plan ahead, without knowing whether it will have to work with a new partner and replace every single element it shares with Ford.

Mutual benefits

I walk the production line with chief operating officer Steven Armstrong.

From what he shows me, it is clear that separating Ford and Volvo cars would be a vast undertaking, and take several years.

But it was also clear that Ford has become reliant on some of Volvo's sophisticated Swedish engineering.

"Ford have been extremely supportive in the years they have owned us," Mr Armstrong explains.

"For example, we've had access to technology and a great range of small diesels.

"But Ford has taken advantage of electrical wiring architecture we have developed, and we've taken the lead with new climate control systems for Ford."

Balancing act

But Volvo Cars is seemingly not going back to the future.

The car maker used to be owned by Volvo AB, still a Swedish company making trucks.

Just up the road, also in Gothenburg, the chief of Volvo AB says that contrary to recent press reports, he is not interested in buying back Volvo cars.

The credit crunch may have put off other possible trade buyers.

Stockholm financier Claes de Neergaard, of the leading Swedish investor Industrifonden, predicts that any private buyout of Volvo cars was now far less likely because of the global credit crunch.

"There are really three alternatives for Ford," he reasons.

"To sell to an industrial buyer, to sell to a private equity player or to list the company (on the stock market) with a long term agreement that can build on the relationships Ford and Volvo already have.

"My view is that the last option is the most attractive."

Events unfolding in Detroit suggest Ford still badly needs the $6bn to $8bn (£3bn to £4bn) it could raise from a sale.

Ford's new chief executive, Alan Mulally, is determined to put all his energies into reviving the core Ford brand.

The tricky bit is trying to arrive at a deal that maximises the cash raised but does not wilfully destroy a business relationship both sides have come to depend on.

Volvo expects to discover its fate by the end of the year.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/7015760.stm