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Problem is they were just balanced, but I'm sure dealer will recheck balance before going to other things.

If I let that kind of logic rule my life, I would have dropped out of college, moved out of Hoboken three years ago, moved out of New Jersey ten years ago if not more, and would never go shopping for anything ever at all. Just gotta do what makes you happy and not let other people or their attitudes get you down.

(n)A-GAME, on 26 March 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

I think the S80 is the exception to this, and I've only seen it on S80's with the inscription package so far this model year.

Burn-E, on 21 March 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

The "we are the future" and "they should listen to us because of it" at least comes off as a form of entitlement. I'm addressing how statements made come off, I obviously could be misinterpreting them. If I am, isn't there a good chance other people may as well?

Burn-E, on 21 March 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

That's just it. You are still a guest. Usually, one must participate for a long while and become friendly with the senior members and/or get involved in the organizing process before they will be accepted as a true part of the group. It's like going to a party you were invited to where you don't really know the host very well. If you're the hosts friend and you say "let's invite these guys" he might say, "yeahhhh sure!" If the host met you one time and you're like "let's invite these guys" the host will probably feel like "who's this asshole?" Good points have been made, but I wouldn't expect anyone to listen to you until you've earned some political capital within the organization.

Again, I didn't meant to attack you or anyone else or argue against your goal, but to play devil's advocate and point out how the issue can look from the other side and why you might not be getting the response you're looking for. Communication is never 100% efficient. Unfortunately, the results of any communication are usually based 100% upon the way it was presented and 0% upon how it was meant.

Swag Swag, on 21 March 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Your mom. And your dad. Maybe even your grandparents, if they're Volvo enthusiasts. When I've seen "VCOA guys" at the few meets I've attended in the past, they've always been considerably older than the average VS member and have had a considerably different demeanor. Not that they were any less "cool" or anything like that. The club was founded long before there was any internet.

Please take this with a grain of salt. I am not trying to attack anyone, but I realize what I am about to say may offend and upset some people. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it any less true.

Expecting other people to change they way they do things to suit your tastes when they enjoy the way they do things and have been doing them that way for a long time is arrogant. No one likes a young whippersnapper coming in, mouthing off, and telling them how to run their show. If they listen, the next thing they know they will have a bunch of riffraff and hooligans running around up to their old shenanigans and tomfoolery and they will ruin everything.

Yes, there are differences between VS and VCOA. There are reasons why there isn't one Volvo car club and forum encompassing the entire community of Volvo enthusiasts. VCOA is not VS and they don't do things the way VS does. That doesn't mean VCOA is doing it wrong. It simply means that if you like the way VS does things but you don't like the way VCOA does things (including how they spend their money), maybe you should be a member of VS and not a member of VCOA. This means you should probably attend VS meets and skip the VCOA meets which are intended for a much different crowd. VS can organize its own events the way it likes them run. If you want to go hang out with the VCOA crowd and see what they're up to, that's totally cool as well. But you're going to have to accept that you will be their guest and that you will have to play by their rules.The attitude that any organization should change the way they do things because someone else claims "we are the future" shows a sense of entitlement which is really not deserved in this case, and it's just going to tick people off. Some respect, on the other hand, will go a long way.

Burn-E: I think it's completely cool and reasonable to contact VCOA and suggest that they allow non-members to show for the reasons you've suggested, but I would check the sense of entitlement at the door. Personally, I would also suggest you re-up your membership before you try to shape how the organization's meets are run. Otherwise, you're somewhat likely to come off as a needy outsider.