bloc Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 if this belongs in maintenance go ahead and move it...so i searched quite a bit on this and i wanted to get information in one thread to make this go easier for people trying to do what i am..obviously turbo 5spd cars are just about non-existant in the states, so i want to put together an index of the parts that are the same between cars, and the parts that will work off a NA car in case someone finds one locally.obviously the shifter mechanism and cables, pedal assembly, and cvs will work for either one.is the transmission the same between turbo and NA? i know the turbo cars have a bigger clutch, requiring a different flywheel, but will the parts on a NA engine bolt up to the turbo engine as long as we were planning on keeping the car otherwise stock? ignore power handling at the moment, will the parts bolt up?if the trannies are different, will the hydraulics carry over? the writeups on this board so far, while having good detail, are not complete which is unfortunate. i planned on doing an indepth writeup if i can make this work out. the trouble is gathering all of the parts and getting this started before my Look at me, I think I am witty totally craps out on me. thanks for any helpJustin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 There are two different transmissions M56L and M56H difference being gear ratios. The '93 to '95 trannys have a speed sensor the '96 and up do not. I think there is a difference in the throw out bearing setup between the early and the later transmissions.The early single mass flywheels are the same and work on turbo and n/a cars these used a sprung disc clutch. The later cars had different clutches with dual mass flywheels and an unsprung disc.Thats my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gioseppe Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 also rumored is that the m56h is stronger then the L version. gear synchros i think it was.there's also other options, an m59(came on the 97R version with a factory lsd) and a m66 six speed from the s60r. a few people have done that/in the process. swedish mike has and our own ultra runner is currently making the swap a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloc Posted March 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 so i did some digging in the volvo parts program.93 US market M56L seems to have a 3.77 final drive and lower first and second gears as compared to the M56H94 US market M56L apparently has a 4.0:1 final drive and the same ratios as the 93 Lthe chart in the volvo parts program doesnt go up to 95, unfortunately. the owners manuals posted on volvo's webpage seem to think in 95 a M56H was the only standard transmission available. however someone on here has posted into about a 95 56L. not quite sure how accurate the owners manual is in this situation, but it's a safe bet it is a 4.0:1 final drive since that seemed to be the direction they were heading in 94.in 94, the turbo cars (according to the volvo parts program) came with the M56H. this may account for the rumor that the 56H is stronger. this is practicly impossible to substantiate, but i will likely be stuffing a L into my T5 wagon soon, so we'll see how well it does with stock power. couple thoughts.3.77 final drive M56L results in a 2.639:1 ratio at the wheel.4.0:1 Final drive M56L or H is 2.8:1 at the wheelstock turbo auto box is 2.439:1 at the wheel.so even with the 3.77 final drive you will be turning more revs than the automatic cars on the freeway.comparing auto to manual ratios for anything lower than probably 3rd gear is pointless because of the torque multiplication of a torque converter, i just found that bit of info interesting. what exactly is dual mass vs single mass flywheel? in 10 years of working on cars i dont remember hearing it referred to like that. anyone have pics of the different throwout assemblies? dimensions on the clutch packages?fcp lists a different clutch for the R cars, and a different pilot bearing for non-turbo cars. what are the differences here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlson Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 good idea justinBut I think u have to ask people who already did that swap. Search and u will find it, from top of my head, u need shifter cables, shifter, clutch cylinder and complete clutch system from pedal to pressure plateProbably in dealership it will cost tons of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyR Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Parts list from my sigM56(h or l) or M59Brake/clutch pedal assemblymaster cylinderslave cylinder ***Buy Newhard line hose that connects the master/slave cylindershift box/shifter/shift bootmanual center console black piecemanual shifter linkagethrowout bearing ***Buy Newthrowout forkpilot bearing ***Buy Newmanual driveshafts **Realized the auto ones work fine850 flywheelclutch diskpressure plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlson Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Anthony,how much did u pay for master cylinderslave cylinder ***Buy Newhard line hose that connects the master/slave cylindershift box/shifter/shift bootmanual center console black piecemanual shifter linkagethrowout bearing ***Buy Newthrowout forkpilot bearing ***Buy Newmanual driveshafts **Realized the auto ones work fine850 flywheelclutch diskpressure plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_Swedish Mike_* Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 also rumored is that the m56h is stronger then the L version. gear synchros i think it was.there's also other options, an m59(came on the 97R version with a factory lsd) and a m66 six speed from the s60r. a few people have done that/in the process. swedish mike has and our own ultra runner is currently making the swap a possibility.Just make this clear, the M66AWD is not good for a swap. If you want to go 6-speed, use a box from S60 or V70N FWD, my box is a S60D5 with nice final gear.The AWD ® box need an angle gear or a custom made piece to make it oil tight, often more expensive to buy as well./Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyR Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Anthony,how much did u pay for master cylinderslave cylinder ***Buy Newhard line hose that connects the master/slave cylindershift box/shifter/shift bootmanual center console black piecemanual shifter linkagethrowout bearing ***Buy Newthrowout forkpilot bearing ***Buy Newmanual driveshafts **Realized the auto ones work fine850 flywheelclutch diskpressure platevsp kit - master cylinder~100 - slave cylinder ***Buy Newvsp kit - hard line hose that connects the master/slave cylindervsp kit+200 (I installed EST short shift) - shift box/shifter/shift bootvsp kit - manual center console black piecevsp kit - manual shifter linkage~45 - throwout bearing ***Buy Newvsp kit - throwout fork~5 - pilot bearing ***Buy Newmanual driveshafts **Realized the auto ones work finevsp kit+40 resurface - 850 flywheel500 w/pressure plate - spec - clutch disksee above - pressure platevsp kit - Pedal assemblyvsp (volvosaabparts) kit - 500m56h manual trans - 600total w short shift and spec clutch - ~2kAlthough at the same time I ended up replacing various mounts and such along the way that I encountered that needed replacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloc Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 their kit gets to the heart of the details i wanted.the vspkit will most likely be including a NA flywheel and clutch. will this setup work well on a turbo, assuming you use new clutch parts? are the hpt (Non-R) and NA clutch setups the same? Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlson Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 looks like there site is down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloc Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 i havent been able to resolve volvosaabparts.com for weeks so i was assuming the site was down for some reason, till i realized no one was complaining about it being down.today i did a whois vs network solutions' site, got the ip, browsed there as if nothing was wrong, called, got the info.course now their IP address via NS is 1.1.1.1 which we all know isnt right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyR Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 you can find almost all those parts new at fcp groton for not much more. Only things you can't is like the pedal assembly and the shifter assembly, which should be able to be had at almost any volvo salvage yard (like strandbergs in WI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloc Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 anthony,was your spec clutch for a NA flywheel or turbo?thanksJustin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 you can find almost all those parts new at fcp groton for not much more. Only things you can't is like the pedal assembly and the shifter assembly, which should be able to be had at almost any volvo salvage yard (like strandbergs in WI) I agree, I would probably get all the hydralic stuff from FCP instead of used. I am also curious as to which flywheel you used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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