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The REAL Obama :

unemployment dropped, dow blowing up like crazy. new job numbers good. BO going to get credit?

Well, how about that.

I want to know if the next President is going to put serious dollars into a global asteriod/comet defense system to stop the imminent meteorite attack that is destined to vaporize the entire human race.

That's an issue that has no boundaries.

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I always think of this song when I see McCain from Black Sabbath, who coincidently also wrote Iron Man

Generals gathered in their masses

Just like witches at black masses

Evil minds that plot destruction

Sorcerers of deaths construction

In the fields the bodies burning

As the war machine keeps turning

Death and hatred to mankind

Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away

They only started the war

Why should they go out to fight?

They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds

Making war just for fun

Treating people just like pawns in chess

Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning

As the war machine keeps burning

No more war pigs of the power

Hand of God has sturck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling

On their knees, the war pigs crawling

Begging mercy for their sins

Satan, laughing, spreads his wings

All right now!

So tell me, cause maybe I'm not filled in, what was the last major war we "won"? I mean one where we truly overthrow the government, brought democracy, and instilled peace?

The 1st Persian Gulf war? (my brother was in that one)

The Vietnam war? (my father was in that one)

The Korean war? (my grandfather died in that one)

War doesn't end well. I'm not saying that its never justified but at what point do we stop throwing the bodies of our youth into the fire?

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I apologize for criticizing you on what to post on VS, it was not my place. Much respect.

Now to the topic @ hand: Like many others, I joined z Army for the tuition assistance in July 2001….but I never discounted the possibilities of war; I braced myself for it. I served in Germany and Kosovo too. I must tell you, stitching up injured soldiers is saddening; not to talk of bagging the many dead. I certainly won’t wish that for your kid; for him to suffer for no cause at the false expense of protecting this country (even we both agree the Iraq war is a mistake) As for the Obama, I know little about his other agendas but his take on US military – which affects me the most. He advocated for 3 major war strategies of which McCain and Bush finally agreed upon. Those were proof enough that change is not so bad. My politico stance? U be the judge; I’ve been labeled many. You, in your infinite wisdom a la age should know you cannot satisfy everyone i.e CPT Porter. During his tour, Obama might have shunned a few and welcomed many OR vice versa. Regardless of the fact, the many biased ppl (who choose not to measure both sides of a situation) will always complain – it’s called ‘feeding the id’. Old Man, Military, Republican, eh? You watch FOX news only? You’re prolly a war advocate like McCain (who wants to stay in Iraq for 100yrs), no? I leave you with 2 quotes to ponder upon. I say again, it’s a new age, let’s show proof of our (psychological) evolution. Shallom……

Older men declare war. But it is youth that must fight and die. And it is youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war - Herbert Hoover.

"I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern.

First, I appreciate your service and the experience you have will ature you beyond your age. I read my local newspaper cover to cover, view CNN, Fox, NBC, etc. I get a rounded view of the political and social scene in the US. I was not pro war but am pro victory. When we left Vietnam at the pressure of the radical left, 2.5million people were purged, murdered, eliminated from Cambodia, Laos , and S. Vietnam. When we left Iraq after the first gulf war, 100, 000's were killed, imprisoned and tortured. Was that our fault maybe. But we have responsibility to leave them able to manage their own affairs, and protect their citizens. Now not one of you has answered my question about troops in Europe, and Asia, but make rediculous statements about being in Iraq for 100 yrs. I'm not sure McCain was a war"advocate", I'm sure a man with his experience would be loathe to put my son in harms way, but he remembers the Vietnam experience i wrote of earlier in this post.

You have no problem with your KOsovo experience? Clinton sent you there, no similar complaints? Surprising.

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I always think of this song when I see McCain from Black Sabbath, who coincidently also wrote Iron Man

Generals gathered in their masses

Just like witches at black masses

Evil minds that plot destruction

Sorcerers of deaths construction

In the fields the bodies burning

As the war machine keeps turning

Death and hatred to mankind

Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away

They only started the war

Why should they go out to fight?

They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds

Making war just for fun

Treating people just like pawns in chess

Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning

As the war machine keeps burning

No more war pigs of the power

Hand of God has sturck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling

On their knees, the war pigs crawling

Begging mercy for their sins

Satan, laughing, spreads his wings

All right now!

So tell me, cause maybe I'm not filled in, what was the last major war we "won"? I mean one where we truly overthrow the government, brought democracy, and instilled peace?

The 1st Persian Gulf war? (my brother was in that one)

The Vietnam war? (my father was in that one)

The Korean war? (my grandfather died in that one)

War doesn't end well. I'm not saying that its never justified but at what point do we stop throwing the bodies of our youth into the fire?

Nice poetry, but I'm not changing my opinions because Ozzie made an observation. Ask him about Ben Disraeli who promised that Hitler could be dealt with by negotiation. Mcgovern is a pure socialist, so he's done, I'm researching Hoover now. Again, I don't dispute your opinioin, and thank your family for it's service. Keep a perspective, don't be bound by media bias and feel good politics. We were kicking NVA ass, the TET offensive was a huge defeat for Hanoi, they had no resources and equipment was de-pleted. The politicians lost that war, not the soldiers. That was unconditional retreat. Korea saved the south from Chinese communist rule. We liberated Kuwait from Saddam, with massive world support. Again we left without completing the job. No losses there, in my book. Good debate and legit questions, my brain is stimulated!

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lol @ CPT Jeff

OK I concede, he made mistakes, still doesn't disprove Obamas position. I was fooled by an internet rumor, I guess. Even after his trip he could not concede that the present strategy is effective, and may bring our kids home sooner.

Lets leave the war thing for a moment. What about his economic policies? Tax and spend. I am stating here now that if he becomes prez, and congress gets a solid Dem majority,( looks like the senate could have as many as 60 seats to the Dems ). The economy will worsen. I already pay way more than my share. It would be interesting to watch this happen, if the results wern't so devastating. When you lose your job and your taxes increase, and inflation rise, PM with your reasoning. I'll be here. By the way, Bush is killing me with his spending plans, I do not approve of his stimulus packages and bailouts, adn I believe we could have cut taxes more. Time will tell.

This Email just hit my Inbox:

"FYI, the letter claiming that Obama "blew off the troops" has been

retracted by the author as inaccurate. For more information regarding

this e-mail that has been circulated, please go to Snopes. com and

search for Obama visits Afghanistan. "

SO, don't believe the Internet with out verification. I made a mistake in believing this completely, but I still maintain he is the wrong man for the job and is steeped in an anti-military culture. Islamo-fascists want us dead. Talk with them all you want, they would still like you dead. Unless you convert of course. If you believe other wise you are foolish. Talking is weakness to the Imams, further strengthening their resolve. Whats the bargaining chip for them to cease attacks on those who oppose them? Don't forget they will send their sons and daughters with bombs strapped to their waists. Thats what I call dedication to duty, and somewhat admirable.So deep is their belief in Allah, they are willing to die for their cause. Thats as dangerous an opponent as you can find. They are also willing to wait hundreds of years to infiltrate democracies and change the landscape of existing governments to achieve an Islamic paradise on earth. That is the major flaw in their doctrine. They have usurped the power of God by mortals on Earth. They interpret what God would do and take it upon themselves to act. Thats blasphemy in my book. They sin by acting on the directives of men.

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Well, how about that.

I want to know if the next President is going to put serious dollars into a global asteriod/comet defense system to stop the imminent meteorite attack that is destined to vaporize the entire human race.

That's an issue that has no boundaries.

With matching dollars from China and Russia? Why not! NASA is a waste of cash and resources too, my opinion.

I'm much more concerned about the huge volcanic potential of the Yellowstone Caldera. No kidding.

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SNOPES FALSE

Nonetheless, I agree with Cletus about the gov't being mired down and the two party system really is one elite party.

Need a good purge to get real people back in there.

Nearly impossible, incumbents make the rules and control the cash. Not enough people vote, too much apathy. Usually it takes a massive blunder by the party in charge to get any major change.

Today I signed a petition to allow Nader on the ballot in CT. I am apposed to much of his platform, but I believe he has the right to run for office, procedural BS be damned. The more opinions and ideas the better.

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Now not one of you has answered my question about troops in Europe, and Asia, but make rediculous statements about being in Iraq for 100 yrs. I'm not sure McCain was a war"advocate", I'm sure a man with his experience would be loathe to put my son in harms way, but he remembers the Vietnam experience i wrote of earlier in this post.

You have no problem with your KOsovo experience? Clinton sent you there, no similar complaints? Surprising.

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Now not one of you has answered my question about troops in Europe, and Asia, but make rediculous statements about being in Iraq for 100 yrs. I'm not sure McCain was a war"advocate", I'm sure a man with his experience would be loathe to put my son in harms way, but he remembers the Vietnam experience i wrote of earlier in this post.

You have no problem with your KOsovo experience? Clinton sent you there, no similar complaints? Surprising.

The Serbs were malicious! Snipers injuring kids to lure their parents and kill them too!! I wouldn't have complained if the US had gone to present Sudan, Rwanda (during the genocide) or Liberia.You don't think wars are all about business/profit? The peace in Iraq is due to the surge.......forget not the 2wo awakenings. When you leave most countries after wars, you leave a vacuum.....that is usually filled by violence till equilibrium. Islam nations want no American presence........hint - Islamic nations. Germany and US-owned South Korea are not islamic. Don't discount the intelligence of the Arabs who have proven superior (in economic stability and independence) than the Africans. If you think they are all extremists and they can't be talked to, you might all well wipe them of the earth - don't forget to strong-arm their oil though or save Saudi. Any1 can be talked too, just as long as you realize your prejudice and control it.

Enough of war, why don't you tell me what McCain will do to improve the economy? I'm not well versed in that area but I'll implement common sense. You think offshore drilling will alleviate the petrol prices within 8yrs? You think his taxing strategy will help the middle class? Your call.

Europe and Asia profit from our presence. Parents send there children with bombs on their chests. Vietnam is the vacuum you speak of. No such thing in Europe, Korea or Japan. I don't think the hard core extremist can be talked to. The religious zealots run Saudi Arabia and Iran. It's not a prejudice of mine, it's a survival instinct. Iraq aside, the 19 Saudis ran 2 planes into the World Trade center, remember? Within this country are schools training children in radical Islam. The Arabs are better at it because they gots lots of oil and allowed other countries to pull it out and pay for it dearly. They are behaving, however, as if they wish to stay in the 8th century.

McCain's economics are not what I want. I want rediculously low taxes, near zero government involvement in the free market. Just the fact that Bush lifted the ban on off shore drilling lowered the price per barrel $20. Imagine if we could really produce this oil? Less than 8 yrs my friend, closer to 4. This is stuff we should have been doing ten yrs ago, along with nuclear energy production, and other fuel and energy technologies. Who was the Prez 10 yrs ago? The economy is still very strong, despite 9/11, Katrina, fuel prices, and Iraq. We are a smart resourceful country, this economic slowdown we are in is nothing compared to the '70's. If govt would get the hell out of the way we would be doing much better.

Just so you know my bottom line. If I had my way, every soldier would be on US soil right now. I'm tired of playing cop with the world, and getting berated for it. Fuck'em. Bring 'em all home, do a better job with immigration control, reduce the size of govt, lower taxes, turn SS into a privately held fund (I know what to do with my cash better than Congress), and check the runaway Courts. Let gays marry, abolish abortion and the death penalty, stop messing with the Constitution, and stop worrying about caribou and forgetting about Americans.

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Now Obama has switched his position on off shore drilling after crushing McCain on this subject. Thje Dems tabled all votes and bailed for 5weeks. They will not allow a vote.Why? Because they will get beat on it. Fickle Prez candidate and obstructionist Congressional leadership. Sound like a plan for economic disaster to me. Go ahead vote for 'em, I'll hold you all personally responsible fro the collapse of economy! JK, but you get what you pay for.

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