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There is nothing wrong with a couple govt programs running in our country.. we need that.

But when the govt is buying up car companies and your car is being made by the govt and if you have health insurance through your company but the govt tell you if you will be getting treatment this week is what is scary.

A lot of our tax dollars are spent on other people's mistakes... I accept that... its a way of life in the US.

but spending trillion of dollars on a national health-care program when John Smith of Springfield, Ohio is getting laid off because of the "economy" is more important to fix than putting our country FARTHER into debt.

You show me a thought out health-care reform and I will support it... when we need it... we do not need it right now.

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more -1's and no intelligent rebutal. cowardly, and typical of the left. get the fed outta the education business, they are killing our kids. 10th amendment, thats a state right. when the

lets rip this open again http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north829.html

He have created more debt than all presidents combined. Intentionally and unnecessarily. They can't run the Post Office. Or Amtrak. But car companies , banks and executive compensation they are exp

LOL!!!

Who's lost in dreamland?

watch any interview with brian moore.

He was the 2008 elections socialist candidate.

Even the socialists will tell back that up.

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I have my own well, I don't by water from anyone.

A already own a 740, and an S60.

If the powers that be had not started the slippery slope 100 yrs ago, we all would be more self sufficient, well paid and healthier. Our SS donations would have gone to our pockets, and charities would have gotten larger donations, eliminating the necessity of the Govt to have to do anything in the realm of welfare. I would have saved tons of cash as a hedge fund against losing my job, eliminating the necessity to collect. We all would have been able to pay for our own college, being smarter, we would all be healthier. And more enterprising, creating a vicious circle of creativity, self-sufficiency and self-fulfillment. These wealth's would have spread around the world and then the wars would be fewer and farther between leading to what I like to call Happiness and Joy. If I could pull it off, I wouldn't be dependent upon anyone but my next door neighbor, because he grows tomatoes and I don't. The Govt can pick up my trash, and protect my borders, but I can even do that myself.

Far fetched? Too late, we are all a bunch of trained sheep now.

Oh, and Al Gore invented the Internetz, not DARPA.

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watch any interview with brian moore.

He was the 2008 elections socialist candidate.

Even the socialists will tell back that up.

Uh-huh.

Why does that not surprise me?

Check Senate Bills 773 and 778.

55 pages of control authorization over broadcasts and internet.

Not about control of the population? Keep kidding yourself.

Recipe for tyranny.

Old cookbook, new cooks.

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You hate un-Constitutional government so much, just move to Somalia or some other failed State already :lol:

Fixed

you assume too much. get some facts before you comment.

Another correction. I was a bit harsh above.

I should have said: " Offer facts and documentation to support your position, instead of sniping."

Often your basis for argument is a reference to your time in Europe and how great it was.

I still love you tho.

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"Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in nearly all states, Baucus would require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled. Penalties for failing to do so would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level — about $66,000 for a family of four — would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul

Oh and beware of the angry mobsters!

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More evidence that Govt can't run shit.

NY OTB is in the hole $225 million. Why? Unfunded mandates due the 40,000 unionized employees.

If you can't be profitable running a gambling franchise then what can you do well?

I knew high school kids that made money on football slips for crying out loud.

Bureaucracy kills.

http://www.msg.com/breakingnews/?article=00AC12LgRU4Of

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soooo I am assuming people heard and saw SC Rep say "YOU LIE!"

It was not a good time to yell that but...

well he is correct... Obama is lying about Illegals getting free healthcare

Page 143 Line 3 Section 246

"For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance."

My link

And if the bill even states that illegals will NOT get free healthcare... once Obama pushes the illegal amnesty law then game over

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