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if health care continues to be a privatized industry it's not going to get fixed.

Quit listening to the hippies in your dorm.

Government does not "make it all better".

I'm not saying theres a perfect solution. But putting it in the hands of the government isn't magic fairy dust.

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i don't think the gov't's gonna make it perfect either. i just do not think there is any reason the health of the population should be a profitable business. it's more advantageous to cover those who do not need the care and that's completely counterproductive. competition is good for the consumer in most situations but not health care.

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I think it should be "profitable" to some extent but $1,000 for a fucking tooth brush come on!!!

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yeah that's pretty fucked up, it's also partly the person's fault for not reading through their bill but whatever. imo, if someone can profit off inefficiencies like those then it's going to happen.

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i don't think the gov't's gonna make it perfect either. i just do not think there is any reason the health of the population should be a profitable business. it's more advantageous to cover those who do not need the care and that's completely counterproductive. competition is good for the consumer in most situations but not health care.

Competition and big pay outs drive the industry to find new products and discoveries to sell us.

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yeah i know that, i don't think the government should be the only ones doing medical research or something. there's a difference between that and providing basic health care to american citizens.

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yeah i know that, i don't think the government should be the only ones doing medical research or something. there's a difference between that and providing basic health care to american citizens.

I just dread the health care system being exploited even more by people that do not contribute to society at all... like welfare punks and un-employment

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Its not a right. You have a right to work hard, get an education and find a job that helps you pay for your health care.

Most medical research is done at private university's and labs.

Lets start with tort reform. All of Washington is lawyers, the biggest donation to campaigns come from lawyers, they wont want to hurt the poor lawyers and their buddy's.

Then work on true competition across state lines.

Thats how you reduce the cost.

DOnt even get me going on the destruction of the American family over the last 50 yrs.

Thats the real cause of the problem. Out of wedlock births = %40. Fatherless homes raise criminals and underachievers, dependent on welfare and govt handouts, reducing tax roles, and adding costs to criminal justice systems and remedial education programs.

If the govt took the TARP money and handed it out to working families that actually pay taxes, cars would be bought, health care would be paid for, and mortgages paid off.

Govt is a waste of money by definition.

Class dismissed.

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Class dismissed.

The Sitchuasion has spoken. :P

Like Wingnut said pretty much, if you are able to enact reform that helps brings down the cost of health care so more people can afford it, they wont need government to help them out financially.

...and seriously, is there a large portion of the population that still believes that this is a good idea after what theyve seen in the past 12 months?? I remember last summer when people were out and about in support for this but now it seems like its just the Dems trying to get something passed so they can say they didnt fail.

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If the govt took the TARP money and handed it out to working families that actually pay taxes, cars would be bought, health care would be paid for, and mortgages paid off.

That's not how socialism works. Oh shit, did I just say a bad word? Oh ok, we'll call it Robin Hood Economics. Everyone has a fair and equal right to the American Dream; no matter how hard they work :lol:

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I remember last summer when people were out and about in support for this but now it seems like its just the Dems trying to get something passed so they can say they didnt fail.

Thats part of it.

My e-snatch is sandy again.

I love the -1's with no commentary or rebuttal. Its typical response to facts that counter progressive dogma. If I have misrepresented, call me out. It's just plain lame.

Aaaaannnnny way... Seems the country is more-center right than Obama thought.

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i feel no allegiance to the democratic party i just feel we should at least have a public option, my passion for the topic has little to do with the bill itself. so many of the counter arguments are based around the fact that our government is already fucked up and that's not the fault of a different healthcare system. true, right now might not be the right time but there is a difference between that and never.

the destruction of the family is a huge problem but if the federal government is going to continue to fund abstinence-only programs etc. and the religious right has anything to say about it nothing's gonna change there either. the most religious states have the highest divorce and abortion rates, that's been proven again and again. religion's not the only problem here but that's a debate for another time.

the fact that we're all white males discussing this issue should tell you something. you can call me a hippy or whatever but there are people who continue to get systematically fucked because of people so intent on maintaining this system.

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Thats part of it.

My e-snatch is sandy again.

I love the -1's with no commentary or rebuttal. Its typical response to facts that counter progressive dogma. If I have misrepresented, call me out. It's just plain lame.

Aaaaannnnny way... Seems the country is more-center right than Obama thought.

:lol: geez stay away from the beach.

I gave you guys plus 1's to even it out...i wonder who it is though...

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More propaganda. Your not reading deep enough, or thinking deeply enough.

Abstinence is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy and STD's.

Teen pregnancy has declined by 38% in last 20 years, no t because of condom distribution, but abstinence training. Its funds are being cut by Obama tho.

Since Texas began abstinence based education, teen preggers are down 24%, teen abortion 41%, and teen births 21%. another point of view

I'm not naive, I have 18 and 20 yr old sons, I'm just saying look past your own biases.

And it may not even be realistic, but it works. And I sure dont want my tax money going to abortions. Stupid people get pregnant, or those with no self control. Its not like its a disease, or mental condition, it's a choice you make to open your legs or unzip without protection. I dont care how stupid, or poor, or disadvantaged you are, you know what will happen.

ANd this system you speak of is not the one i want either. mine was assaulted and diluted a long time ago.

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And it may not even be realistic, but it works. And I sure dont want my tax money going to abortions. Stupid people get pregnant, or those with no self control. Its not like its a disease, or mental condition, it's a choice you make to open your legs or unzip without protection. I dont care how stupid, or poor, or disadvantaged you are, you know what will happen

For as long as those poor single mothers and their children are a burden to the tax payer, I'm all for tax-funded abortions.

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