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[flyfishing3]

feel free. we're just talking as adults here.

[gdizzle]

Should I chime in?

Only if you want to.

[Aequitas_Veritas]

[7 VII 7]

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that is a funny image Paul

[Boost_Junky]

Disclaimer: This is not directed towards anyone here personally. This is more or less an angry rant toward failed idealism. Not only others but my own.



Most people know that Obama is a better candidate. (look at the votes)

-His party does not lead by fear.
-He did not sling mud and lie during his campaign.
-He is young, well spoken and acts on knowlege not emotion
-He speaks for me, not rich people alone
-He won’t spread the wealth to the rich like the republicans have for 12 years
-He represents people, not companies. (It’s for the people not for the company)
-He wants to get out of Iraq.
-He wants to help people live a better life, the majority, not the minority of people.

Let me list some of the lies of a horribly failed campaign ran by the republicans. They lead by fear.

-He will redistribute wealth
-He is Muslim
-He will give reparations
-He will increase the size of Government
-He will give handouts
-He is the Anti-Christ
-He will increase taxes
-People will riot if he is not elected
-He sides with William Ayres
-People only vote for him because he’s black


All this “he is so left” and “the country is going to go to crap” is just that, CRAP. Republican’s and their failed policy have lead this country into the worst position it’s been in since the great depression. Say “it isn’t so” and say “don’t blame us” but one of the choices we have in place to change things is our vote. So we did, we voted out what we could change. The republican’s did a horrid job, now they want to whine about not getting re-elected. How about regroup and get a better candidate than the Keating 5 John, can’t think without getting mad, old going to die soon, outdated thoughts, picked a woman in an attempt to gain hip voters, gabbing at straws, and dirty business McCain. Republicans lost. If what they thought was right for the country, than it would have happened. Last time I checked, more people agree with me and I believe in the American way.

The problem is not capitalism. It’s greed. Policy has become unregulated to the point that we let personal and cooperate wealth trump all else. We left the money man alone to the point that he became greedy and didn’t think about the future or people. Then when everything failed, we bailed him out because we were stuck between a rock and hard place. GREAT, thanks.

Never again. We will not let it happen. All this real estate wealth is fake. All this credit wealth is fake. If you bought a house for 70k and it was appraised at 300k 5 years later, what makes you think it’s a good idea to max your equity to buy more houses and other crap? That is not smart and most of the people trying to protect their fake wealth are the ones crying right now or their kids or followers.

They should have left it alone. The market will fluctuate. I told my Dad this and I’m saying it now. It is a bad business decision to max out your credit or your equity. Save for a rainy day. Easy come, easy go. News flash, markets fluctuate. You think these financial companies care about you? NO. They would rather claim bankruptcy than pay you that fake money. The only reason they let it go on was to create their own wealth and then bail. All the while people are crying about how they earned all this money, they didn’t earn it. It was FAKE. Did they get paid a wage for it? NO. Did they sell a product that they produced, NO. They bought a house or two and then watched their equity rise. That is investing, and it has risks, hello. Invest a portion, not all of your income. Did the 80’s teach us nothing?

I said it before and I will say it again. Nobody on this forum is rich enough to be represented by the republican party this year. NOBODY. They represented companies that want less and less regulation so they can keep raping you, the people. Weed through all the lies and that is the brass tax. This new guy is for us. Let’s see if he can live up to his word. That is our only worry. Our problems are so deep, it’s hard to believe that anyone can help.

/rant

No, no, not end rant. That guy who wouldn’t answer my questions in the Tax thread. Lame is not answering my questions. How long do you expect to be able to spit that mess? Consumers dictate the economy. Supply in demand. No demand, no supply. What your saying is the supply dictates the demand. Try and sell that somewhere else because it isn’t working. The economy is a balance and if you can’t do it right then stop. The customer is ALWAYS right and we are tired of a$$ rape.

Hey rich companies owners and fake wealthy, you’re doing it wrong.

Actual /rant

[Serge]

I am happy with the results of this election. However, the fact that all kids my age are being VERY defensive when it comes to other people's opinions, bugs me a little bit. It seemed that most of youth was getting on the Obama bandwagon simply because it was the cool thing to do. They did not research, evaluate or read about the candidates in-depth. Although standing for change is good, you have to have a solid basis for your choice. Moreover, God forbid that someone said they want to vote for McCain... because if you say you do, they get angry and call you an idiot.

Also, I'm happy with all the results of California's propositions.. with the exception of the bullet train one, I wanted a fuckin bullet train!!

[JCviggen]

Obama went to the same school Bush went to, but Bush is an idiot and Obama is a messiah.

I don't see how someone can have their candidate, and move to another candidate on the sole reason they didn't like their running mate. They're on two opposite ends of the spectrum IMO, Obama on the ultra left and McCain on the slight right of moderate. It makes zero sense to me. But according to JC, I'm one of the rural idiots.

I know plenty of "idiots" who were at my school. I know plenty of people who were a lot smarter than me as well. Must've been a weird school, not everybody being the same and all... if you can't see an obvious difference in brain function between W and Barry I don't know what else to say really.

If I were an American the mere chance of someone like Palin backing into the presidency if anything happened to John would be plenty of reason to vote for another candidate. It's not such a giant leap either because both Barry and Johnny are (at sight) considerably better options than the 2 that were available in 04.

I didn't call you a rural idiot You could be one, or not, not much info to go on here lol Maybe you could go off on a rant about Obama being the antichrist that would help

[7 VII 7]

-His party does not lead by fear.
-He did not sling mud and lie during his campaign.
-He is young, well spoken and acts on knowlege not emotion
-He speaks for me, not rich people alone
-He won’t spread the wealth to the rich like the republicans have for 12 years
-He represents people, not companies. (It’s for the people not for the company)
-He wants to get out of Iraq.
-He wants to help people live a better life, the majority, not the minority of people.

Let me list some of the lies of a horribly failed campaign ran by the republicans. They lead by fear.

-He will redistribute wealth (He told people *in the debates* that he will distribute the wealth)
-He is Muslim (McCain's campaign did not say he was Muslim)
-He will give reparations (see 1st point)
-He will increase the size of Government (his health plans do increase the size of government and his new "programs" which will come into play in his first term and you will see taxes increase)
-He will give handouts (more than already are being handed out?)
-He is the Anti-Christ (again McCain's campaign did not say he was the Anti-Christ)
-He will increase taxes (see point #4)
-People will riot if he is not elected (HA! they rioted when he won, could you imagine what people would do if he did not win?)
-He sides with William Ayres (he never said he did not side with Bill Ayres)
-People only vote for him because he’s black (McCain's campaign did not say that but it is a fact that voters are voting for him because he is black... look at the Black Panthers down in FL who were blocking people coming into the polls unless they were voting for Obama)

[MikeG]

Republican’s and their failed policy have lead this country into the worst position it’s been in since the great depression.

I think it's fair to say that both parties have had an equal part in screwing things up for quite some time. There's not just one branch of government.

[Serge]

I know plenty of "idiots" who were at my school. I know plenty of people who were a lot smarter than me as well. Must've been a weird school, not everybody being the same and all... if you can't see an obvious difference in brain function between W and Barry I don't know what else to say really.

If I were an American the mere chance of someone like Palin backing into the presidency if anything happened to John would be plenty of reason to vote for another candidate. It's not such a giant leap either because both Barry and Johnny are (at sight) considerably better options than the 2 that were available in 04.

I didn't call you a rural idiot You could be one, or not, not much info to go on here lol Maybe you could go off on a rant about Obama being the antichrist that would help

I think Palin would've been president right away because if McCain won he'd have a heart attack from the excitement, lol.

But yea, I don't hate on McCain by any means. I am fairly neutral to both candidates. What I AM against is all the blind elitism that goes along with many of the youths in the US.

[Boost_Junky]

He told people *in the debates* that he will distribute the wealth. --- He meant he will give people a better chance at achieving success, as meant by the context of the statement.

McCain's campaign did not say he was Muslim --- they just supported people who did

see 1st point ---reparations are not distributing wealth, look it up

his health plans do increase the size of government and his new "programs" which will come into play in his first term and you will see taxes increase ---He wants to make it affordable, not free. You and I will see no increase.

more than already are being handed out? ---that’s what was insinuated to scare people

again McCain's campaign did not say he was the Anti-Christ ---they just supported people who did

He will increase taxes (see point #4) ---not on us, we will see a break

HA! they rioted when he won, could you imagine what people would do if he did not win ---they would sound like you

he never said he did not side with Bill Ayres ---he didn’t say he wasn’t gay, what kind of point is that?

McCain's campaign did not say that but it is a fact that voters are voting for him because he is black... look at the Black Panthers down in FL who were blocking people coming into the polls unless they were voting for Obama ---What the black panthers did was uncalled for. However it is far less than the KKK did to sway votes. Remember that.

[Boost_Junky]

I think it's fair to say that both parties have had an equal part in screwing things up for quite some time. There's not just one branch of government.

The team is always to blame when they are in last place. The coach is the one who gets replaced though. Then that person rebuilds the team.

[7 VII 7]

He told people *in the debates* that he will distribute the wealth. He meant he will give people a better chance at achieving success, as meant by the context of the statement.

McCain's campaign did not say he was Muslim they just supported people who did (no people said it and McCain said that is not true)

see 1st point reparations are not distributing wealth, look it up

his health plans do increase the size of government and his new "programs" which will come into play in his first term and you will see taxes increase He wants to make it affordable, not free. You and I will see no increase. (and how is he going to make it affordable? taxes the middle and upper class and we might have the same health care provider but the quality of health care will go even farther down)

more than already are being handed out? that’s what was insinuated to scare people

again McCain's campaign did not say he was the Anti-Christ they just supported people who did (no people said it and McCain said that is not true)

He will increase taxes (see point #4) not on us, we will see a break

HA! they rioted when he won, could you imagine what people would do if he did not win they would sound like you (that made no sense at all "would sound like you")

he never said he did not side with Bill Ayres he didn’t say he wasn’t gay, what kind of point is that? (what does gay have anything to with it, he launched his political carrier in the living room of a known anti-American and HE KNEW HE WAS part of the Weather Underground *how can people look past that?)

McCain's campaign did not say that but it is a fact that voters are voting for him because he is black... look at the Black Panthers down in FL who were blocking people coming into the polls unless they were voting for Obama What the black panthers did was uncalled for. However it is far less than the KKK did to sway votes. Remember that. (ok maybe they did maybe the didn't... but your original comment... people did vote for him because he was black)

[MikeG]

The team is always to blame when they are in last place. The coach is the one who gets replaced though. Then that person rebuilds the team.

I see your point, but IMHO, the team in your metaphor should be the whole population. Most people are morons and don't want to be bothered with participating in government, so they're happy to watch things hum along like they do with American Idol. I don't think any president in the foreseeable future will be able to make any progress with the existing team. As long as America stays fat and (generally) happy, nothing will change.

I do have to point out though, that raising taxes on the rich only encourages them to be more creative about avoiding taxes in the first place. Ever heard of the Laffer Curve? Also, if you consider me rich and raise my taxes, guess what happens to my product or service prices? They just keep going up as I pass my tax burden as a cost on to my customers, who think that their taxes didn't go up. Everyone's taxes essentially go up, it's called inflation.

[Boost_Junky]

Dave, I could go on with you all day. Good thing you’re not the majority. Kind of reminds me of beating my head into a wall.

BTW - The part that made no since, “what would they have done if they didn't win....” They would sound like you if they didn't win. Get it?

I see your point, but IMHO, the team in your metaphor should be the whole population. Most people are morons and don't want to be bothered with participating in government, so they're happy to watch things hum along like they do with American Idol. I don't think any president in the foreseeable future will be able to make any progress with the existing team. As long as America stays fat and (generally) happy, nothing will change.

So true.

I do have to point out though, that raising taxes on the rich only encourages them to be more creative about avoiding taxes in the first place. Ever heard of the Laffer Curve? Also, if you consider me rich and raise my taxes, guess what happens to my product or service prices? They just keep going up as I pass my tax burden as a cost on to my customers, who think that their taxes didn't go up. Everyone's taxes essentially go up, it's called inflation.

Tax increases will cause inflation, but the market will only stand for so much. At some point the market will dictate the costs, not the seller. Regardless of the cost of business or taxes they pay. There will always be someone willing to get paid less to do the same thing or sell the same product. In the rare case that there isn’t, the product will not exist or the market will be very small and expensive. Welcome to Volvo modification.... LOL

[7 VII 7]

well it is a fact that people voted for him because he is black, it is a fact that people voted for McCain because he is white.

people voted for Obama because because they saw McCain as Bush

and then that was it for them, no more research no more open minds

the media had a HUGE play in this also... I wonder if we will ever see the results from that tape the LA Times was keeping

[Pops Racer]

Who's holding Obama responsible for the hate garbage and lies spouted by MoveOn, Huffington Post, DailyKos? Not you evidently, Boosty. Who's holding him responsible for Joe's privacy being invaded? Or the partisanship of ACORN?

SO because KKK was out of their minds it's OK for The Panthers to act like thugs?

Moral relativism. Very lame.

And lets talk about "Reparitive Economics". Thats what is driving his socialist money grab from the haves. He believes we owe the down trodden because we made money on their backs. Thats approaching Marxism, forget socialism. The issue of reparations for slavery is in there also. But I never owned any slaves, so why do I have to pay? They should be going after tribal chiefs in Africa that sold them into slavery in the first place. And continue to do so, by the way.

It's very messy, I know. But the idea of kicking in my hard earned cash for folks not even trying to pull their weight flies in the face of all things we built this country on. And it evidently flies in the face of over 125 well known, main stream economists. His economic plan sucks. Get your hands out of my pocket and I'll have some left over to donate.

Shit, I got none now and I still wrote United Way a check. And the American Cancer Society. And to my church. And to my volunteer fire dept. And the Police Benevolent Assoc. And the thousands of dollars of childrens clothing over the last 10 yrs. And all the old bikes and sporting gear I renovated and gave to inner city kids.

How'd the market do today? Down almost 500 points. Why? They don't think Obamas plan will get us out of the hole.

Good news, my gas is down to $2.29. Now go by a V8 pickup and save the economy.

[Boost_Junky]

I didn't say it was okay for the black panthers to do what they did.

The market going down is not because of Obama. We both know that.

I see what you're saying about kicking in your hard earned cash. I understand your frustration. I've stated before how I feel about keeping the peace, and how it benefits us doing business.

Let's give it a chance. We are all Americans. Even Dave.

[Smithwicks]

I am happy with the results of this election. However, the fact that all kids my age are being VERY defensive when it comes to other people's opinions, bugs me a little bit. It seemed that most of youth was getting on the Obama bandwagon simply because it was the cool thing to do. They did not research, evaluate or read about the candidates in-depth. Although standing for change is good, you have to have a solid basis for your choice. Moreover, God forbid that someone said they want to vote for McCain... because if you say you do, they get angry and call you an idiot.

Couldnt agree with you more. It was indeed the cool thing to do this year, because it meant you were hip, young, and all that other wonderful stuff.

And going off of this I would want to ask the average college student who supported Obama what their beliefs/stances are on certain issues and see if they match up perfectly with what Obama's platform was. Basically what I am saying is that before this election they didnt give a crap about most issues and then got on the Obama bandwagon and started to believe whatever Obama believed, instead of thinking for themselves and deciding on their own.

But I doubt most people did any in-depth research beyond just listening to CNN or Fox News, or just took a moment to think about the election and who to vote for. Its much easier to hop on the bandwagon and ride along with the mob.



Separate point:What made me pissed off with Obama supporters on my campus was with what happened after he had been declared the winner. First off, a group of them tore through the main library at around 11:30pm, shouting Obama and Obama related slogans in the midst of people who were studying for tests and just didnt want anything to do with the election... basically being boisterous assholes about the victory. One person had a pot that they were banging away at while going through the library. And they for some reason couldn't figure out why people were pissed at them. Also every person quoted in our paper today, who was out last nite used the word change somewhere in their one liner. Also there was the to be expected crowds of people going up and down the streets cheering and what not. Overall, yes they have the right to be excited but do it in a respectful manner.

[MikeG]

...But I doubt most people did any in-depth research beyond just listening to CNN or Fox News, or just took a moment to think about the election and who to vote for. Its much easier to hop on the bandwagon and ride along with the mob...

This happened with more than just the youth. Adults who should be doing more of their own reading and thinking simply haven't been... nothing new there.

To quote myself from another thread:

... most "journalists" are in fact not journalists, just wannabe celebrities who also usually belong to the Screen Actors Guild.

The opinion segments on all channels lean one way or another, period. Actual journalism is really on it's way out, as more and more idiots, I mean people, expect to have opinions spoon-fed to them so they know what to think. Every channel still has one or two real journalists, but they get less and less time on the air as the idiots clamor for more opinion polls and analysis shows.