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[ontheheel]

just came to mind since my dad is at training right now to become an FFO. i was talking to a friend and he said that he doesn't support any weapons of any kind on an airplane (even air marshalls). major major points.

for those of you who don't know about the program (and i don't know that much), i'll relate what i know.

you have to go through background checks, extensive psychological evaluations, and then tactical training out in the middle of nowhere. they don't carry the weapons in a holster, but it is kept in a lockbox all the time.

your thoughts?

[JDELUNA]

I like the idea, I think the more things to deter terrorists from trying to take over a plane the better. I wish they would make a system that the pilot or someone from the ground that can totally disable the passengers with gas or something, in the event that something happens. Also maybe flights need to be monitored with video and watched remotely from the ground ???

[Che'_Moderator]

I like the idea, I think the more things to deter terrorists from trying to take over a plane the better. I wish they would make a system that the pilot or someone from the ground that can totally disable the passengers with gas or something, in the event that something happens. Also maybe flights need to be monitored with video and watched remotely from the ground ???

LOL you mean give terrorist something to watch and study.....

Ever seen security monitoring rooms. 200 screens.... 1 person. You know what would fix the problem and is free. Less

[JDELUNA]

I like the idea, I think the more things to deter terrorists from trying to take over a plane the better. I wish they would make a system that the pilot or someone from the ground that can totally disable the passengers with gas or something, in the event that something happens. Also maybe flights need to be monitored with video and watched remotely from the ground ???

LOL you mean give terrorist something to watch and study.....

Ever seen security monitoring rooms. 200 screens.... 1 person. You know what would fix the problem and is free. Less

Well they could always encrypt the video signal. Actually I think with all that is going on now, the terrorists cowards that they are, are targeting american schools from what I read a few weeks back.

[Che'_Moderator]

I like the idea, I think the more things to deter terrorists from trying to take over a plane the better. I wish they would make a system that the pilot or someone from the ground that can totally disable the passengers with gas or something, in the event that something happens. Also maybe flights need to be monitored with video and watched remotely from the ground ???

LOL you mean give terrorist something to watch and study.....

Ever seen security monitoring rooms. 200 screens.... 1 person. You know what would fix the problem and is free. Less

Well they could always encrypt the video signal. Actually I think with all that is going on now, the terrorists cowards that they are, are targeting american schools from what I read a few weeks back.

We have a hard time encrypting battle field data. With modern computers its not as easy as one would think. As for terrorist targeting schools, I have not heard anything like that. The news likes to blows things up. Terrorist are always going to target soft targets, thats why their terrorist.

[JDELUNA]

I like the idea, I think the more things to deter terrorists from trying to take over a plane the better. I wish they would make a system that the pilot or someone from the ground that can totally disable the passengers with gas or something, in the event that something happens. Also maybe flights need to be monitored with video and watched remotely from the ground ???

LOL you mean give terrorist something to watch and study.....

Ever seen security monitoring rooms. 200 screens.... 1 person. You know what would fix the problem and is free. Less

Well they could always encrypt the video signal. Actually I think with all that is going on now, the terrorists cowards that they are, are targeting american schools from what I read a few weeks back.

We have a hard time encrypting battle field data. With modern computers its not as easy as one would think. As for terrorist targeting schools, I have not heard anything like that. The news likes to blows things up. Terrorist are always going to target soft targets, thats why their terrorist.

Yeah a few weeks back supposedly some of the soldiers or someone in Iraq found some disks that had the plans of several schools throughout the US, I know one of the states was Florida. The government then issued some kind of warnings to all the schools or something like that.

[JDELUNA]

You can read more about it here:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/08/schools.iraq/

[Che'_Moderator]

Thanks for making my point. Freaken liberal media.
Headline
Huge Print Disks in Iraq hold details about U.S. schools
Next line
Tiny print Military finds computer disks but FBI dismisses terror plot or link

I am sure they found toilet paper over there too but I doubt the terrorists are planning on blowing my balls off next time I sit on the toilet.

[VS Legend]

I am sure they found toilet paper over there too but I doubt the terrorists are planning on blowing my balls off next time I sit on the toilet.

Did you know there are over 40,000 toilet bowl related injuries reported some years? Accidents? I think not!

[jester1182]

the way i see it, we shouldnt be putting guns in airplanes intentionally. if this is the best way to protect against the threat of terrorism then ok, but i dont see how it can be. Airplanes are controlled envorments and can easily be incapacitated. i never have understood why the pilots are not seperated completely from the passengers. if an undercover officer with a weapon on board is the only way then its about time we started coming up with some better technology.

[Che'_Moderator]

the way i see it, we shouldnt be putting guns in airplanes intentionally. if this is the best way to protect against the threat of terrorism then ok, but i dont see how it can be. Airplanes are controlled envorments and can easily be incapacitated. i never have understood why the pilots are not seperated completely from the passengers. if an undercover officer with a weapon on board is the only way then its about time we started coming up with some better technology.

LOL like prisons. We keep all the "bad" people away from the "good" and no one ever gets hurt......No wait thats not right

[ontheheel]

ok, you are talking about air marshalls, which is a program i support. what i am talking about is PILOTS carrying weapons.

[VS Legend]

I think if they are properly trained we will all be alright. I think I'd actually feel safer if they holstered them in their belts once in the cockpit though. I don't particularly like projectile weapons on planes though, maybe they should all cary daikatanas instead.

[Bay13]

I think if I have a right to carry a consealed weapon I should be able to do it anywhere, even on airplanes, on the toilet, etc. etc. etc.

Ya like thats going to happen.

[jross]

I think if they are properly trained we will all be alright.  I think I'd actually feel safer if they holstered them in their belts once in the cockpit though.  I don't particularly like projectile weapons on planes though, maybe they should all cary daikatanas instead.

Give 'em low-velocity rounds, maybe somethign like the wax antipersonel rounds (instead of traditional lead or steel-jacketed rounds)...

by the by, wax is supposed to be "non-lethal", but if you've seen any of the riot footage from the Middle East, in the hands of a good marksman...

[Che'_Moderator]

I think if they are properly trained we will all be alright.  I think I'd actually feel safer if they holstered them in their belts once in the cockpit though.  I don't particularly like projectile weapons on planes though, maybe they should all cary daikatanas instead.

Give 'em low-velocity rounds, maybe somethign like the wax antipersonel rounds (instead of traditional lead or steel-jacketed rounds)...

by the by, wax is supposed to be "non-lethal", but if you've seen any of the riot footage from the Middle East, in the hands of a good marksman...

Most actually carry ultra-high velocity frangible ammo. Very low mass though. IMHO give em SXT ranger loads. If it actually hits the fan I feel they should have stopping power. If they kill a few innocents while saving an entire plane of people, then its collateral damage.

[jross]

I think if they are properly trained we will all be alright.  I think I'd actually feel safer if they holstered them in their belts once in the cockpit though.  I don't particularly like projectile weapons on planes though, maybe they should all cary daikatanas instead.

Give 'em low-velocity rounds, maybe somethign like the wax antipersonel rounds (instead of traditional lead or steel-jacketed rounds)...

by the by, wax is supposed to be "non-lethal", but if you've seen any of the riot footage from the Middle East, in the hands of a good marksman...

Most actually carry ultra-high velocity frangible ammo. Very low mass though. IMHO give em SXT ranger loads. If it actually hits the fan I feel they should have stopping power. If they kill a few innocents while saving an entire plane of people, then its collateral damage.

Yea, but try explaining that to the American Public. I mean, think about how hysterical the news media gets over anything (ie, Fox aka "When Kittens Attack" ).

[VS Legend]

It's not "innocent people" I'm worried about. I realize that a bullethole "supposedly" couldn't cause too much trouble, but all those movies where someone shoots and the little hole causes the plane to go down make me uncomfortable. Besides, a tripple dose of tazer action is more than enough and its more fun to boot.

[ontheheel]

except with a tazer you only get a couple of shots. if you miss or screw up, that's it, and you have nothing left with which to defend yourself. i don't know how big the magazine is on the issue weapons. i think it's an HK .40, but i have no clue. hollow point ammo as well