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[JHEIII874T5M]

boost

turbo - T3/T4E hybrid. 57 trim compressor wheel/50AR compressor housing/63AR turbine housing with a stage 3 wheel and 10lb adjustable internal wastegate Link to turbo - $400 + $100 for coolant/oil lines = $500

manifold - stock manifold machined to accept t3 flange and also probably ported/polished - $50

intake - Stock MAF (make it in my garage) - $100

exhaust - 3" turbo-back (custom made locally) - $600

$1250 to get the turbo on with exhaust

fueling

injectors - RC 440 CC/min Link to Injectors $80/inj. x 5 - $400 + $45 for fuel lines

rising rate fuel pressure regulator - Aeromotive 13109 Link to RRFPR - $130

fuel pump - Walbro 255 LPH - Link to Fuel Pump - $125

$700 to get enough fuel

monitoring

wideband - LM-1 Link to LM-1 - $350

so we have $2250 for monster power....... now chipping it

mind you... this will allllll be done in stages, and I refuse to pay retail for any of these items so I expect to take about 20% off the final price knocking it down to around $1800 for a biiiig turbo upgrade

[jross]

Yea, two pieces of advice. DASTEK on the chip, and don't use the stock manifold. At least see about picking up a new T5 manifold (forget where that thread went), I think you want the one on the XC90.

[JHEIII874T5M]

as for the chip I'm 95% sure I'm going upsolute... have to talk to Rob about that one

as for the manifold, you're absolutely right... if anyone comes across one please tell me

[jross]

Here's the thread: http://www.swededemon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=69

And you really should look into the DASTEK.. that's just my .02. I think for what you're doing, it will prove much more flexible and responsive.

[JHEIII874T5M]

Doug, both you and jross, have made me consider a couple other options.

The Dastek it seems you are all pushing, I am going to put some more in depth research into it. Anyone have personal experience? (Johann?)

As for turbo, the Holset is an extremely viable option. It seems very popular on "turbobricks" and eric's pushed it a couple times lol. I have an extremely inexpensive source (<$20) for the stock manifold without cracks, etc. For that price, I was thinking I could port/polish the stock manifold and machine it, and still pay less than half the price of the XC90 manifold. Doug, is that the same T3 4 bolt flange found on the holsets?

I think Jesse sold that fuel rail with the injectors, but I'm sure I could find one for a cheap price... just the rail, nothing else. I wonder if the Ford ones could fit... I know there are other Bosch Injectors that are much larger in size.

I understand the motors don't last that long, but I truthfully will not push her past 300 wheel right now. I do not want to until I build it.

[jross]

The guy who runs Kalmar Union recommended the DASTEK to me. It's what I'm going with, once I get all the parts I'm waiting on / looking for. I've already talked to DASTEK North America, they said they should be able to do the full hookup on our cars from $800 to $1200, depending. One factor that affects price is that they want to switch to a MAP sensor (they'd cap the MAF to keep the computer happy, but it wouldn't see the full airflow, only up to ~12 lbs). The MAP would drive the DASTEK. Check out www.unichip.com

[JHEIII874T5M]

Well, jross...

www.unichip.com didn't work for me (no links, just e-mail) but I did use http://www.dastek.co.uk/features_unichip.htm

As for switching to a MAP sensor for 12 PSI, I wouldn't need to do that for a couple of months, however I figure I would be better just doing so now.

Please tell me more if there is more you have discoved. I e-mailed dastek earlier tonight to see if there was a US distributor, etc.

[JHEIII874T5M]

Raf was using Dastek. If you could do what Johann did (and use an emulator or something that allowed them to make multiple dyno pulls then burn the chip once and be done) that would be sweet too.

If you've got a cheap manifold I say use it, have a good shop put a cheap external on it and holset it. Probably be out the door for 500 bucks, save another 100-150 in exhaust down pipe modifications ect.

yea, the manifold I can get cheaply... and I'll just get a Holset off eBay, any recommended ones? Or Doug, do you have a holset dealer you recommend?

I wonder what I'll do about intake setup

[jross]

Sorry, I'm a retard. It's www.unichip.us (not .com) Their phone is 866.643.7400 (that's for the North American main office), I've spoken with them before, knowledgeable folks. They have people in most major metropolitan areas (ie, I think there's 2 in LA, 1 in SF, so on and so forth). I think the guy's name is Don, but don't quote me on that, I could be totally wrong -- probably am!

I think the page (and the dude) should be able to answer just about any questions. I know I'm planning on doing the Aquamist 2c, which should be able to be controlled by the Unichip. Side note -- if you're running Aquamist (and I think you are, but I could be wrong), it IS possible to upgrade from the 1s system to the 2c with a couple parts. If you're interested, lemme know, I've talked to Aquamist about it and have the part numbers somewhere.

[Johann]

Sorry, I'm a retard. It's www.unichip.us (not .com) Their phone is 866.643.7400 (that's for the North American main office), I've spoken with them before, knowledgeable folks. They have people in most major metropolitan areas (ie, I think there's 2 in LA, 1 in SF, so on and so forth). I think the guy's name is Don, but don't quote me on that, I could be totally wrong -- probably am!

I think the page (and the dude) should be able to answer just about any questions. I know I'm planning on doing the Aquamist 2c, which should be able to be controlled by the Unichip. Side note -- if you're running Aquamist (and I think you are, but I could be wrong), it IS possible to upgrade from the 1s system to the 2c with a couple parts. If you're interested, lemme know, I've talked to Aquamist about it and have the part numbers somewhere.

Personally I think the Unichip is a bad choice..

Why? Because you are limited the same way you are with a chip.
The Unichip can only be programmed by a Dastek certified install centre
If a company like Upsolete can write custom maps for the stock ECU it is always the better option, less parts is better. For high boost on an 850 you need an EBC anyway so the ECU only needs to provide fuel and timing.

[jross]

I agree that Unichip shares the restriction a chip has in that it still has to be programmed by a certified tech, but it's still more adaptive and involves significantly less downtime.

However, I'm not sure that you'd need an EBC for higher boost. With the MAP sensor installed, the Unichip should be handle boost up past 20 psi.

From my perspective (and I think Doug has said this as well), it's the best setup short of a standalone.

[EricF]

I'd stay smaller on the Holset, HX30, HX35, etc... Doug can be more enlightening about that.

[JHEIII874T5M]

Doug, thanks so much for that information. So, I am planning on a HX35 without a wastegate, as for external... which are you running? I would probably just run the external into the downpipe instead of the manifold (kinda ghetto, but works )

IF I were to do an internal wastegate would this one in particular work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...sspagename=WDVW

The T3 inlet's going to work out nicely This should prove to be a fun project. One thing I'm wondering about is that isn't the inlet on these 3"? My MAF sure as hell isn't 3"...

[BlackT5]

Joseph, if you go with an external wastegate, I don't thikn you'll be able to use the stock manifold but i'd love for you to prove me wrong