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[Pops Racer]

Waiting lines for treatment have gotten so long, private clinics are opening up!! They are rejecting socialized medicine while we run head long into the abyss. How ironic. Like Europe's rejection of lefties in their parliaments.


WOW.

[TaskMule]

WINGNUT, on 29 June 2009 - 10:54 PM, said:

Waiting lines for treatment have gotten so long, private clinics are opening up!! They are rejecting socialized medicine while we run head long into the abyss. How ironic. Like Europe's rejection of lefties in their parliaments.


WOW.

As long as the mega-pharma-glomerates are in bed with Gov't, that's the way it's going to be. Use your vote wisely.

[Zappo]

WINGNUT, on 29 June 2009 - 10:54 PM, said:

Like Europe's rejection of lefties in their parliaments.

You do realize that our left is like their right. Their left make hippies look conservative.

[Che'_Moderator]

Zappo, on 29 June 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

You do realize that our left is like their right. Their left make hippies look conservative.

HAHAHAHA. That made my day.

[cbon]

Zappo, on 29 June 2009 - 11:04 PM, said:

You do realize that our left is like their right. Their left make hippies look conservative.

That may well be, but his point is made, nevertheless.
And according to news reports in the past few months, even Europe has decried the depth and extent the US gov't has gone in involving itself in business/market/economy. Russian newspapers also have exclaimed how suddenly and precipitously the US has turned leftward into socialist policies. Hugo Chavez, perhaps somewhat cynically, also made note of it.

[DHV70]

TaskMule, on 29 June 2009 - 11:03 PM, said:

As long as the mega-pharma-glomerates are in bed with Gov't, that's the way it's going to be. Use your vote wisely.

The thing is...
They ARE in bed with the govt.

[Pops Racer]

Pay to play is nothing new in the U.S. Find me a major industry that doesnt have its claws in a politician. Banking loan industry and Dodd, my fav.

Zappo = 100 %. Canadia is almost as left as VermontFrancisco.

[DonutsDemise]

That's a funny coincidence. Too bad you can't have short lines and guaranteed coverage for your population at the same time. You would think the best country on Earth could find a way to one up Canada.

[TaskMule]

DonutsDemise, on 30 June 2009 - 06:14 AM, said:

You would think the best country on Earth could find a way to one up Canada.

They already have, in a number of ways. Thinking you are the best and being the best are two different things.

Most Livable Countries

The UN Human Development Index is calculated using various indicators for quality of life, such as health indicators and access to healthcare services, life expectancy at birth, nutrition levels, education and literacy levels, access to basic needs such as water and sanitation, and so on. It also takes into account GDP per capita in terms of Purchasing Power Parity and percentage of the population living below the poverty line.

# 1 Norway: 0.963
# 2 Iceland: 0.956
# 3 Australia: 0.955
# 4 Canada: 0.949
# 4 Luxembourg: 0.949
# 4 Sweden: 0.949
# 7 Switzerland: 0.947
# 8 Ireland: 0.946
# 9 Belgium: 0.945
# 10 United States: 0.944
# 11 Netherlands: 0.943
# 11 Japan: 0.943
# 13 Denmark: 0.941
# 13 Finland: 0.941
# 15 U K : 0.939
# 16 France: 0.938
# 17 Austria: 0.936
# 18 Italy: 0.934
# 19 New Zealand: 0.933
# 20 Germany: 0.93
# 21 Spain: 0.928
# 22 Hong Kong: 0.916
# 23 Israel: 0.915
# 24 Greece: 0.912
# 25 Singapore: 0.907
# 26 Portugal: 0.904
# 26 Slovenia: 0.904
# 28 Korea, South: 0.901
# 29 Cyprus: 0.891
# 30 Barbados: 0.878

[Che'_Moderator]

TaskMule, on 21 July 2009 - 12:17 PM, said:

They already have, in a number of ways. Thinking you are the best and being the best are two different things.

Most Livable Countries

The </creditably> UN Human Development Index is calculated using various indicators for quality of life, such as health indicators and access to healthcare services, life expectancy at birth, nutrition levels, education and literacy levels, access to basic needs such as water and sanitation, and so on. It also takes into account GDP per capita in terms of Purchasing Power Parity and percentage of the population living below the poverty line.

[Fishey]

DHV70, on 30 June 2009 - 12:04 AM, said:

The thing is...
They ARE in bed with the govt.

You know who put them there?

Triva time......

[Fishey]

TaskMule, on 21 July 2009 - 12:17 PM, said:

They already have, in a number of ways. Thinking you are the best and being the best are two different things.

Most Livable Countries

The UN Human Development Index is calculated using various indicators for quality of life, such as health indicators and access to healthcare services, life expectancy at birth, nutrition levels, education and literacy levels, access to basic needs such as water and sanitation, and so on. It also takes into account GDP per capita in terms of Purchasing Power Parity and percentage of the population living below the poverty line.

# 1 Norway: 0.963
# 2 Iceland: 0.956
# 3 Australia: 0.955
# 4 Canada: 0.949
# 4 Luxembourg: 0.949
# 4 Sweden: 0.949
# 7 Switzerland: 0.947
# 8 Ireland: 0.946
# 9 Belgium: 0.945
# 10 United States: 0.944
# 11 Netherlands: 0.943
# 11 Japan: 0.943
# 13 Denmark: 0.941
# 13 Finland: 0.941
# 15 U K : 0.939
# 16 France: 0.938
# 17 Austria: 0.936
# 18 Italy: 0.934
# 19 New Zealand: 0.933
# 20 Germany: 0.93
# 21 Spain: 0.928
# 22 Hong Kong: 0.916
# 23 Israel: 0.915
# 24 Greece: 0.912
# 25 Singapore: 0.907
# 26 Portugal: 0.904
# 26 Slovenia: 0.904
# 28 Korea, South: 0.901
# 29 Cyprus: 0.891
# 30 Barbados: 0.878

You should really figure out what your posting before you do so...

Human Development Index has nothing to do with healthcare as a matter of fact the fact that you posted as you did makes it easy to see your someone who just accepts what people tell them instead of looking shit up for yourself. HDI is about development of a country not about in anyway healthcare it is calculated on these principles. The HDI combines normalized measures of life expectancy, literacy, educational attainment, and GDP per capita for countries worldwide. Now, since we are on the subject can you tell me why we are falling behind on the HDI? Its very simple to understand once you pull your head out of your ass. Education, plain and simple education is where we are falling behind in leaps and bounds because of public education.

[Che'_Moderator]

Fishey, on 21 July 2009 - 01:56 PM, said:

Education, plain and simple education is where we are falling behind in leaps and bounds because of public education.

We are falling behind for the same reason California is bankrupt.

[Pops Racer]

The total population of the 1st 9 countries in that list combined don't equal the 300 million in the US.

It's easy to account for 25 million in Canada vs 300 million.

I live in a town that has the lowest per student expenditure for education in CT. We rank top 10 in student performance. More money down a black hole don't fix stuff.

You figure it out.

SO with all that, any one of you want to move out of U.S.? Didn't think so.

[DonutsDemise]

WINGNUT, on 21 July 2009 - 03:44 PM, said:

SO with all that, any one of you want to move out of U.S.? Didn't think so.

I actually would love to move to Sweden, the only thing keeping me here is the people I know, not our flawed systems and corrupt government. At least in Sweden they welcome immigrants (well 95% of the population at least). And looking Swedish and having dual-citizenship helps too

[TaskMule]

Fishey, on 21 July 2009 - 01:56 PM, said:

You should really figure out what your posting before you do so...

Human Development Index has nothing to do with healthcare as a matter of fact the fact that you posted as you did makes it easy to see your someone who just accepts what people tell them instead of looking shit up for yourself. HDI is about development of a country not about in anyway healthcare it is calculated on these principles. The HDI combines normalized measures of life expectancy, literacy, educational attainment, and GDP per capita for countries worldwide. Now, since we are on the subject can you tell me why we are falling behind on the HDI? Its very simple to understand once you pull your head out of your ass. Education, plain and simple education is where we are falling behind in leaps and bounds because of public education.

Ok, placing your misdirected anger and judgement aside for a minute, I agree with your views on education, but how do you figure that the HDI isn't using "healthcare access and other factors" in it's calculation? It's stated in the mandate that they use those exact items, among other things in their calculations? Education may (in your view) be the main drag-down, but (access to) healthcare is still right in there. Discuss.

[Pops Racer]

DonutsDemise, on 15 August 2009 - 07:52 PM, said:

I actually would love to move to Sweden, the only thing keeping me here is the people I know, not our flawed systems and corrupt government. At least in Sweden they welcome immigrants (well 95% of the population at least). And looking Swedish and having dual-citizenship helps too

You'd be a legal immigrant then.

We welcome legal immigrants all day long.

Apples and oranges.

No corruption in Sweden? I call BS.

[DonutsDemise]

WINGNUT, on 17 August 2009 - 09:19 PM, said:

You'd be a legal immigrant then.

We welcome legal immigrants all day long.

Apples and oranges.

No corruption in Sweden? I call BS.

I never said there wasn't, but last I checked Illinois and New Jersey were in the United States

[L8 APEKS]

WINGNUT, on 29 June 2009 - 10:54 PM, said:

Waiting lines for treatment have gotten so long, private clinics are opening up!! They are rejecting socialized medicine while we run head long into the abyss. How ironic. Like Europe's rejection of lefties in their parliaments.


WOW.

If by "they," you mean an underwhelming minority of Canadians...then yes, they are!

Otherwise, you really couldn't be any more wrong on the subject. According to people that actually live there, anyway. It's funny to listen to Americans that try to teach Canadians about their own system. lol.





Of course, there will always be people speaking solely on behalf of their own experiences, regardless of whether or not their experience is indicative of the norm. But anyone who thinks the saving of lives should be a for-profit business is a couple IV's short of an ER. We are supposed to be the richest, most prosperous country in the nation...but we can't afford to give our citizens basic health care?!

Pathetic.

[7 VII 7]

good job proving your point by posting 2 you-tube links lol