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[rj240]

Did a quick search, but didn't really come up with any information. Quite a bit of manual swap info, but no info for swapping different manual transmissions...

I am trying to gather information on what is needed if I want to swap a M66 into my '98 S70 T5 with a M56.

1) Can I use any M66? FWD or AWD source car matters? P2 or P1 chassis source car matters? Or will I have to use a M66 from a FWD P2 only?
2) What other parts will be needed? Clutch/flywheel? Shifter assembly?

I figure I should start inquiring now so that I can pick up necessary parts as they become available...

Thanks in advance for your advice!

[mdlimy]

I think the only m66 swaps that have been done used a p2 m66, one was done in a fwd using a fwd tranny and the other was done in a xc with an awd m66(hussein)

I belive you need a whole new shifter box and cables, fwd tranny, trans mount, maybe a differnt clutch setup. Hussein will chime in im sure

[Mogatu'r]

A handful of M66 AWD done around here, but only one person fitted the M66 AWD tranny into a FWD car (ultra-something..). A sh1t load of modification had to be done, not worth it, plus if you really want a superman of a transmission, stick to your M56h. For the FWD configuration, you'd be better off finding an M66 FWD tranny swap and call it a day.

GL.

ps. I found an M66 FWD tranny and was going to do another monster swap, but then I just lost interest all together.

[lookforjoe]

Look through my M66 conversion thread- everything pertaining to the shift setup will be relevant. Your shifter & cables will work, with modification to attaching bracket on the trans. You will also need an S60R clutch - the splines on the M66 are different. If you don't go dual mass flywheel, you'll have to get something made to go with the single mass. You can contact NCChoy on V70R - that's what he did.


You'll also need an AWD right axle, if you get the M66 AWD. since you already have a stick, the mount on the ps rack should work fine, you'll just need to get the trans side bracket with the trans, and possibly mod it for clearance.

No suggestion regarding M66 FWD trans- don't even know if the fork setup is the same, or what axles will work with it. The Ford version is definitely very different.

You can run the M66 AWD in FWD mode without any problems, just loctite the Bevel Gear spline collar in place so it doesn't "walk".

Je' bande pou touis, on 23 July 2009 - 10:21 PM, said:

ps. I found an M66 FWD tranny and was going to do another monster swap, but then I just lost interest all together.

You sound so bored.......

[rj240]

Glad to hear that my shifter and cables should work...

I'm very curious to see the differences between the P2 FWD and AWD versions of the M66. I will probably end up sourcing the AWD version...there were probably more AWD M66's sold vs the FWD versions in the P2 chassis here in North America anyways...

P1 M66's...anyone know anything about the differences vs P2 M66's?

I'll have to look into the single mass/dual mass clutch/flywheel setup...that will be interesting...

[Mogatu'r]

lookforjoe, on 24 July 2009 - 12:07 AM, said:

You sound so bored.......

Dear Jesus you have noo idea Hussein, lololol...

[lookforjoe]

Je' bande pou touis, on 24 July 2009 - 12:49 AM, said:

Dear Jesus you have noo idea Hussein, lololol...

Whatever happened with the tune for your stick conversion - was it sorted out?

rj240, on 24 July 2009 - 12:25 AM, said:

Glad to hear that my shifter and cables should work...

I'm very curious to see the differences between the P2 FWD and AWD versions of the M66. I will probably end up sourcing the AWD version...there were probably more AWD M66's sold vs the FWD versions in the P2 chassis here in North America anyways...

P1 M66's...anyone know anything about the differences vs P2 M66's?

I'll have to look into the single mass/dual mass clutch/flywheel setup...that will be interesting...

Can never remember what's P1, P2. M66 AWD is only 2004 or newer, S60R/V70R or V40. Don't think it came in anything else. C30 has FWD M66 - but good luck getting a used one!

[rj240]

Here's a list of what the M66 came in for our North American market:

M66 AWD
P1 '04.5+ S40 T5 AWD / V50 T5 AWD
P2 '04-'07 S60R / V70R

M66 FWD
P1 '07+ C30 T5
'06+ C70 T5
'04.5+ S40 T5 / V50 T5
P2 '05-'08 S60 T5 / V70 T5

I am curious of the differences between the P1 and P2 M66 models. There are probably more P1 M66's on the road than there are P2 M66's...

[lookforjoe]

rj240, on 24 July 2009 - 11:30 AM, said:

Here's a list of what the M66 came in for our North American market:

M66 AWD
P1 '04.5+ S40 T5 AWD / V50 T5 AWD
P2 '04-'07 S60R / V70R

M66 FWD
P1 '07+ C30 T5
'06+ C70 T5
'04.5+ S40 T5 / V50 T5
P2 '05-'08 S60 T5 / V70 T5

I am curious of the differences between the P1 and P2 M66 models. There are probably more P1 M66's on the road than there are P2 M66's...

There's no reason to suppose that there is any difference where it applies to Volvo applications of the trans. For FWD models, they'd just use a different machining for the diff case, so that it has a single seal instead of the AWD inner/outer, and a different diff casting with no splines for the bevel gear. We already know from Pedro's pics that Ford spec uses a different lever setup - but that entire shifter mechanism comes out the trans in one unit...




.. there may of course be production changes over the years since it's introduction, but I'd reckon it's the same as far as external mounting/configuration. If anyone on here has a newer Volvo with an M66, maybe they could take a pic of the linkage on the trans..

[rj240]

Next time we get one in the shop I'll snap a picture, or maybe I'll check it out on my wife's car...

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated!

[Johann]

rj240, on 24 July 2009 - 12:45 PM, said:

Next time we get one in the shop I'll snap a picture, or maybe I'll check it out on my wife's car...

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated!

From what I could see P2 and P1 M66 side by side the P1 casing is a bit more compact overall. The P1's are also hanging in the engine bay instead of standing on a subframe like with the P2's. The thing to worry about is the availability of mounting holes in the correct location to bolt a rear mount on, which needs to be custom fabricated anyway. The focus M66, same as the one used in the Volvo's, has been mounted in an 850 before so it should fit. Don't know the details though.

Also a fix is needed to lock out the reverse gate when the car is moving in forward gears. 6th and reverse are situated very close next to each other and when there's no lock the shifter will go in to the entrance of the reverse gate when shifting to 5th gear which will effectively block the 5th gear engage. Shifter needs to be positioned right before the 5th gear gate to engage. Next when shifting to 6th and applying to much force to the right the shifter might accidentally enter the reverse gate.

[pedro fandango]

lookforjoe, on 24 July 2009 - 12:27 PM, said:

We already know from Pedro's pics that Ford spec uses a different lever setup - but that entire shifter mechanism comes out the trans in one unit...




.. there may of course be production changes over the years since it's introduction, but I'd reckon it's the same as far as external mounting/configuration. If anyone on here has a newer Volvo with an M66, maybe they could take a pic of the linkage on the trans..

ah so if i remove the current F*rd lever setup & fit a Volvo one the gearbox should still be useable?

[yangotang]

FWIW,

I have a RH drive shaft for the AWD here that has 50 miles on it. I went 50 miles before the angle gear went south and I want to do the M56H swap...

[Dolf]

I have placed an M66 FWD from a Ford Focus St in my S70. As for the axles, I have used the original axles of my car. Most of the other changes are mentioned here before (other rear engine mount, different clutch, airbox doesn't fit, different gear lever...)

[duke of cruel]

Dolf, on 25 July 2009 - 09:26 AM, said:

I have placed an M66 FWD from a Ford Focus St in my S70. As for the axles, I have used the original axles of my car. Most of the other changes are mentioned here before (other rear engine mount, different clutch, airbox doesn't fit, different gear lever...)

thats sounds nice, how many miles do you have on the swap and what power do you have?

I have an m66 i think its a p1, the one without the snout on the right side axlemount, and im actually only waiting for my ecu to come home so i can run coil on plug with my 4.3 management for the complete swap.

I have noticed that the splines in the m66 looks abit different and i have been adviced to get an axle from the m66 and use splice it with the t5 axle to the wheel. But if yours run fine and have nu trouble with plenty of power i will do that.

DoC

[volvotech97850]

Definitely interested in hearing the solution to the right side axle.

[lookforjoe]

Dolf, on 25 July 2009 - 09:26 AM, said:

I have placed an M66 FWD from a Ford Focus St in my S70. As for the axles, I have used the original axles of my car. Most of the other changes are mentioned here before (other rear engine mount, different clutch, airbox doesn't fit, different gear lever...)

S70 Stick? Auto? What year? US spec axles from FWD don't seem to work as far as the right side is concerned - but that's with AWD M66.

Got pics?

We'd like to see what you did with the ford style levers on the trans...

[turbor850]

rj240, on 23 July 2009 - 09:48 PM, said:

Did a quick search, but didn't really come up with any information. Quite a bit of manual swap info, but no info for swapping different manual transmissions...

I am trying to gather information on what is needed if I want to swap a M66 into my '98 S70 T5 with a M56.

1) Can I use any M66? FWD or AWD source car matters? P2 or P1 chassis source car matters? Or will I have to use a M66 from a FWD P2 only?
2) What other parts will be needed? Clutch/flywheel? Shifter assembly?

I figure I should start inquiring now so that I can pick up necessary parts as they become available...

Thanks in advance for your advice!

I think my main question is . . . why ?

[volvotech97850]

turbor850, on 26 July 2009 - 09:44 PM, said:

I think my main question is . . . why ?

Thanks for the input!

[rj240]

turbor850, on 26 July 2009 - 09:44 PM, said:

I think my main question is . . . why ?

Why? Why not?

I have the M66 in my V50 (and love the six speeds!), and was considering swapping one into my S70. Figured that the gear ratios should work out well, it would put me a little lower in the RPM range for highway driving (which I do an awful lot of) to get a few more MPG's, and it would be nice to have a six-speed in my S70!

Why would you wonder why?