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[Martynj]

Volvo Schematics for a 98 S70 show 3 settings on the 213 "relay" (jumper). One for US/Canadian spec, one for Euro/? and one for Japan.

Obviously w/ the US one the fogs only come on w/ the headlights.
With the Euro one (as I understand it) the fogs will come on at any time and stay on w/o the key in (which for me, will eventually leave me w/ a dead battery )
So how does the Japan setting work? Any chance it lets the fogs come on w/o the headlights and also powers them off w/o the key?

Marty

[Jaxx]

Martynj, on 13 November 2009 - 05:42 AM, said:

Volvo Schematics for a 98 S70 show 3 settings on the 213 "relay" (jumper). One for US/Canadian spec, one for Euro/? and one for Japan.

Obviously w/ the US one the fogs only come on w/ the headlights.
With the Euro one (as I understand it) the fogs will come on at any time and stay on w/o the key in (which for me, will eventually leave me w/ a dead battery )
So how does the Japan setting work? Any chance it lets the fogs come on w/o the headlights and also powers them off w/o the key?

Marty

not sure how the Japanese fogs work, but here's the euro mod if you're thinking about doing it.
http://volvospeed.co...tyle-foglights/

and this shouldn't be in performance.

[Martynj]

Thanks for that link. I had seen the first post before and know how to change it to Euro spec but wasn't sure about the Japan setting. BUT the 3rd post in that thread says w/ the japan setting they only come on with the high beams!? If that's true, how stupid is that! That would render the fogs completely useless (in fog of course).

I thought I posted this in Cosmetics. Sorry if I messed that up and somebody moved it.

There has got to be a clean way to get these hooked up so they turn off w/ the key out. I'll study that schematic a little more and see what I can figure out. If that wire from the 213 relay to the HL switch was removed from the back of the headlight switch and connected/spliced to something like the cigarette lighter or radio, that should work as long as the fuse on that line has the right amperage, which would be ????

[Big Will]

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this info on a Japan relay? There are only 2 foglight relay part numbers that I know about - one for the US relay and one for the Euro relay. I have never seen a 3rd listed in VADIS etc.

[Jaxx]

Martynj, on 13 November 2009 - 07:41 AM, said:

There has got to be a clean way to get these hooked up so they turn off w/ the key out. I'll study that schematic a little more and see what I can figure out. If that wire from the 213 relay to the HL switch was removed from the back of the headlight switch and connected/spliced to something like the cigarette lighter or radio, that should work as long as the fuse on that line has the right amperage, which would be ????

usually they are rated at about 55w, i think the max for the spec is like 65-70w. so you're looking at about 5-6 amps per bulb.

[JC 855 GLT-R]

Martynj, on 13 November 2009 - 05:42 AM, said:

Volvo Schematics for a 98 S70 show 3 settings on the 213 "relay" (jumper). One for US/Canadian spec, one for Euro/? and one for Japan.

Obviously w/ the US one the fogs only come on w/ the headlights.
With the Euro one (as I understand it) the fogs will come on at any time and stay on w/o the key in (which for me, will eventually leave me w/ a dead battery )
So how does the Japan setting work? Any chance it lets the fogs come on w/o the headlights and also powers them off w/o the key?

Marty

euro foglight mod i did in my 96 at least, the fogs come on with the parking lights on and stay on when i use the hi beams. the us one the fogs come on with only the headlights and turn off when you use the high beams. some one correct me if im wrong.

[Aequitas_Veritas]

Martynj, on 13 November 2009 - 05:42 AM, said:

Volvo Schematics for a 98 S70 show 3 settings on the 213 "relay" (jumper). One for US/Canadian spec, one for Euro/? and one for Japan.

Obviously w/ the US one the fogs only come on w/ the headlights.
With the Euro one (as I understand it) the fogs will come on at any time and stay on w/o the key in (which for me, will eventually leave me w/ a dead battery )
So how does the Japan setting work? Any chance it lets the fogs come on w/o the headlights and also powers them off w/o the key?

Marty

Not true. They will still turn off automatically with the car if your low beams are on. The problem occurs when you only have your parking lights on, just like now, if you turn your parking lights on, they do not turn off with your car. However, the difference is now you are able to use your foglights with just your parking lights, which will drain your battery faster then parking lights alone, but sure does look freaking sweet. But I almost always glance back at my car a few times as im walking away from it, so I will almost always spot my lights on if I do this, but I have left my lights on a few times before.

[Martynj]

Big Will, on 13 November 2009 - 07:56 AM, said:

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this info on a Japan relay? There are only 2 foglight relay part numbers that I know about - one for the US relay and one for the Euro relay. I have never seen a 3rd listed in VADIS etc.

I found online a PDF version of the official blue and white volvo wiring diagrams and the diagram for the 213 relay shows 3 ports labeled J, Euro and US/CDN. I'm assuming J is for Japan.

Pretty sure I found it through a google search of 98 S70 wiring diagram. It was like a year ago though so I don't recall exactly. It seems to be the euro version b/c in the "live" diagram the juice is flowing through the euro port of the 213.

Aequitas_Veritas, on 13 November 2009 - 03:52 PM, said:

Not true. They will still turn off automatically with the car if your low beams are on. The problem occurs when you only have your parking lights on, just like now, if you turn your parking lights on, they do not turn off with your car. However, the difference is now you are able to use your foglights with just your parking lights, which will drain your battery faster then parking lights alone, but sure does look freaking sweet. But I almost always glance back at my car a few times as im walking away from it, so I will almost always spot my lights on if I do this, but I have left my lights on a few times before.

Yeah I always look back at the car cuz I just can't keep my eyes off of it But my wife is a bit absent minded and does drive the car often. In fact she just left the PL on 2 days ago and drained the battery hence my fervor to find a way to get them off w/o the key.

[Bah]

OK so for my own personal knowledge...since theres like 5 different things going on in this thread lol...

If i switch the relay to Euro-spec: Fog lights can be turned on willy nilly, no headlights on, lows on, highs (which is 4 bulbs on vs 2 for 94.5+..i own a 93 as well). However, if i turn the headlight switch to the middle part(parking lights), the lights will stay on with the car off...and you can have fogs on now too. I dont ever do this, and im curious when you ever even need to do this? lol...my 93 doesn't do it, but i noticed the 96 does...so w/e..i never use the PL setting... Its either headlights on, or headlights off...except maybe at dawn/dusk time?
So in my case, lets say no headlights on, driving with just fogs on (and since im now euro spec) i turn my car off , and the fogs turn off with it correct?
case #2 - i drive up in my car, with the brights on(should be the same with lowbeams), and the fogs on, being illegal(not that i care...i know 6 bulbs is illegal ) in the US, but im 'offroad' so don't care I turn my car off, all 6 bulbs turn off, even though i left the fog light switch on.
case #3 which is relevant to the poster i suppose, is i drive up with my parking lights on, and my fogs on. Parking lights stay on with the car off and keys out of the ignition, and thus allows the fogs to stay on. To correct this, i would do a seperate relay ( go buy a car audio one..stinger sells a 80AMP one which is MORE then enough..i run it on my 93 and its great), hook up the power to the relay to run through this seperate relay, and have this only work with the car on. You could even do the parking lots this way, and not have to do much modding, just run the main power to these relays through it...connect ignition to the stinger relay ( i tapped into car radio for my car audio obv, but you can use the cig lighter) and viola...turn car off, no way the fogs can stay on...be impossibleyyy


Sorry for long post..i'm sure you could do it with the stock relay as well and if you find out..lemme know =P i don't ever use the parking lights like i stated, but in the instance i do, id rather my fogs not be on with it hah

[mkc70]

Martynj, on 13 November 2009 - 05:27 PM, said:

I found online a PDF version of the official blue and white volvo wiring diagrams and the diagram for the 213 relay shows 3 ports labeled J, Euro and US/CDN. I'm assuming J is for Japan.

Pretty sure I found it through a google search of 98 S70 wiring diagram. It was like a year ago though so I don't recall exactly. It seems to be the euro version b/c in the "live" diagram the juice is flowing through the euro port of the 213.


Yeah I always look back at the car cuz I just can't keep my eyes off of it But my wife is a bit absent minded and does drive the car often. In fact she just left the PL on 2 days ago and drained the battery hence my fervor to find a way to get them off w/o the key.

You could probably build a timed interrupt circuit for under $10 to make certain the lights shut off with the key removed. Plus the timer could allow you at night time to keep the lights on as a sentinel feature.

[JC 855 GLT-R]

Bah, on 13 November 2009 - 07:11 PM, said:

OK so for my own personal knowledge...since theres like 5 different things going on in this thread lol...

If i switch the relay to Euro-spec: Fog lights can be turned on willy nilly, no headlights on, lows on, highs (which is 4 bulbs on vs 2 for 94.5+..i own a 93 as well). However, if i turn the headlight switch to the middle part(parking lights), the lights will stay on with the car off...and you can have fogs on now too. I dont ever do this, and im curious when you ever even need to do this? lol...my 93 doesn't do it, but i noticed the 96 does...so w/e..i never use the PL setting... Its either headlights on, or headlights off...except maybe at dawn/dusk time?
So in my case, lets say no headlights on, driving with just fogs on (and since im now euro spec) i turn my car off , and the fogs turn off with it correct?
case #2 - i drive up in my car, with the brights on(should be the same with lowbeams), and the fogs on, being illegal(not that i care...i know 6 bulbs is illegal ) in the US, but im 'offroad' so don't care I turn my car off, all 6 bulbs turn off, even though i left the fog light switch on.
case #3 which is relevant to the poster i suppose, is i drive up with my parking lights on, and my fogs on. Parking lights stay on with the car off and keys out of the ignition, and thus allows the fogs to stay on. To correct this, i would do a seperate relay ( go buy a car audio one..stinger sells a 80AMP one which is MORE then enough..i run it on my 93 and its great), hook up the power to the relay to run through this seperate relay, and have this only work with the car on. You could even do the parking lots this way, and not have to do much modding, just run the main power to these relays through it...connect ignition to the stinger relay ( i tapped into car radio for my car audio obv, but you can use the cig lighter) and viola...turn car off, no way the fogs can stay on...be impossibleyyy


Sorry for long post..i'm sure you could do it with the stock relay as well and if you find out..lemme know =P i don't ever use the parking lights like i stated, but in the instance i do, id rather my fogs not be on with it hah

read post 6 and 7

[Marzocchi]

I have made "DRL" fogs by removing the jumper (#213) and giving ignition switched 12v to the jumper upper center terminal. It draws 100mA from ignition switch to close fog lamps relay. The fog lamp switch is still used to turn them on/off but I keep them on all the time.

[Aequitas_Veritas]

Marzocchi, on 14 November 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:

I have made "DRL" fogs by removing the jumper (#213) and giving ignition switched 12v to the jumper upper center terminal. It draws 100mA from ignition switch to close fog lamps relay. The fog lamp switch is still used to turn them on/off but I keep them on all the time.

not a bad idea

[Martynj]

Marzocchi, on 14 November 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:

I have made "DRL" fogs by removing the jumper (#213) and giving ignition switched 12v to the jumper upper center terminal. It draws 100mA from ignition switch to close fog lamps relay. The fog lamp switch is still used to turn them on/off but I keep them on all the time.

That's what I'm talking about Do you have any more specifics about where you tapped into the ignition switch 12V(which wire (color)) and what gauge wire did you use?

This makes fog light operation completely independent of headlight/parking light operation so you can have fogs on w/ no other lights

[Cal3thousand]

Martynj, on 15 November 2009 - 05:03 AM, said:

That's what I'm talking about Do you have any more specifics about where you tapped into the ignition switch 12V(which wire (color)) and what gauge wire did you use?

This makes fog light operation completely independent of headlight/parking light operation so you can have fogs on w/ no other lights

He means +12V, so.... RED