i ended up doing the manual swap on my 850r a couple months back and ran a manual tuned rica ecu tuned for 15psi. with this ecu i had problems with rev's hanging, taking forever to start, once boost hit a pound over 15psi it would start bogging down, and it idled from 1100-1300. come home from school last week, and thought what the hell, lets throw the stock R ecu in there..... the car runs a 100x better?! has anyone else noticed this or had this problem?
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Manual Ecu Vs. Auto Ecu
Started by 83' turbo, Mar 24 2010 04:03 PM
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 04:03 PM
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:09 PM
it could just be the tune. run the manual tune in an auto car and see how it does performance wise.i ended up doing the manual swap on my 850r a couple months back and ran a manual tuned rica ecu tuned for 15psi. with this ecu i had problems with rev's hanging, taking forever to start, once boost hit a pound over 15psi it would start bogging down, and it idled from 1100-1300. come home from school last week, and thought what the hell, lets throw the stock R ecu in there..... the car runs a 100x better?! has anyone else noticed this or had this problem?
Chase
Edited by Hanks, 24 March 2010 - 05:09 PM.
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 09:07 PM
i ended up doing the manual swap on my 850r a couple months back and ran a manual tuned rica ecu tuned for 15psi. with this ecu i had problems with rev's hanging, taking forever to start, once boost hit a pound over 15psi it would start bogging down, and it idled from 1100-1300. come home from school last week, and thought what the hell, lets throw the stock R ecu in there..... the car runs a 100x better?! has anyone else noticed this or had this problem?
Chase
Wierd...
It sounds like the auto tune is the manual, and the manual is the auto LOL
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:04 AM
I'd say it's the tune. the stock T5M tunes hang also. In comparison the custom TME manual tune I got from Danny does not..revs drop very quick and the car runs perfectly.Wierd...
It sounds like the auto tune is the manual, and the manual is the auto LOL
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 12:19 AM
it could just be the tune. run the manual tune in an auto car and see how it does performance wise.
Hmmmm, you guys suggesting Manual ecu is safe to run on Auto car?
I have a T5M - can I try to run my GLT with the T5M ecu?
I'm trying to eliminate possible issues with the GLT, and this little exercise, if safe for both my GLT and my T5M ecu (st stage 2 tuned) will eliminate the GLT ecu.
Please let me know, would be nice to hear from those who actually tried it.
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:56 PM
i ran a manual ECU in my auto car for about a year. no issues.
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 06:01 PM
Done 3 manual swaps - all are running different manual tunes (Rica, Super Chip and Stock UK T-5R ECU) with no issues. Auto ECU worked in all of them but with less then positive drivability results.... Rica tune is probably my favorite as far as overall drivabilty thus far - just my 2 cents though.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:49 PM
i'm going to use the auto ECU. I already have it tuned. I'm thinking that because i am not going to be boostin it wont make that big of a deal.
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Posted 06 November 2010 - 08:06 PM
I've been running a auto ECU with no tune since about january with absolutely no problems other than P1618
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 12:20 AM
The off the line smoothness and drop is rpms is definitely improved when using a manual tune*manual swap)
Also no CEL codes but NO Obd 2 functionality
With an Auto ecu you still have Obd2 and tuned auto ecu are cheaper and more abundant.
I have had great success with my Ipd stage 2 tune, and manual TT ecu's
Also no CEL codes but NO Obd 2 functionality
With an Auto ecu you still have Obd2 and tuned auto ecu are cheaper and more abundant.
I have had great success with my Ipd stage 2 tune, and manual TT ecu's
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 12:22 AM
The off the line smoothness and drop is rpms is definitely improved when using a manual tune*manual swap)
Also no CEL codes but NO Obd 2 functionality
With an Auto ecu you still have Obd2 and tuned auto ecu are cheaper and more abundant.
I have had great success with my Ipd stage 2 tune, and manual TT ecu's
If somebody made a non turbo manual tune i would for sure switch over. But since nobody does, i should be safe to stick with the auto tuned NA ecu?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:38 AM
If somebody made a non turbo manual tune i would for sure switch over. But since nobody does, i should be safe to stick with the auto tuned NA ecu?
UM in North America All 5 speeds were Na, So just get an Na manual ecu???
Am I missing something?
And if your asking if you can used a Tuned Na automatic ecu that is fine. But you obviously cannot use a tuned turbo tune of any variant.
Truthfully , Just get a stock Na 5 speed ecu, There really isn't anything a tuned ecu is going to do for you. 10hp? lol.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:36 AM
There really isn't anything a tuned ecu is going to do for you. 10hp? lol.
Well if you count the fact that i get about 30-33mpg from the tune then that's something.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 04:00 PM
I've been hitting fuel cut in my '98 T5 auto. I have a stock '98 T5M ECU that rumor says has no fuel cut. If I'm understanding the posts correctly, I should be ok running a T5M ECU in my T5A?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 04:33 PM
I've been hitting fuel cut in my '98 T5 auto. I have a stock '98 T5M ECU that rumor says has no fuel cut. If I'm understanding the posts correctly, I should be ok running a T5M ECU in my T5A?
Umm, how is the manual ECU going to read the signals from your automatic transmission?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:44 PM
Umm, how is the manual ECU going to read the signals from your automatic transmission?
Exactly, I'm confused. lol Read this and went
....i ran a manual ECU in my auto car for about a year. no issues.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:59 PM
the ecu has nothing to do with the transmission. thats what the TCU is for.Exactly, I'm confused. lol Read this and went
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 06:49 PM
So can one successfully run a Manual T5 ecu in an Automatic T5?
Without things going bad...
Without things going bad...
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 06:54 PM
the ecu has nothing to do with the transmission. thats what the TCU is for.
So, running a '98 T5M ECU and the original TCU in my '98 S70 T5 auto will have no problems?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 07:13 PM
the 850 should have no problems. i dont have any experience with the s70 but it should be fine.So, running a '98 T5M ECU and the original TCU in my '98 S70 T5 auto will have no problems?
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