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#1 wattsat

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 07:07 PM

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Don't ask Don't tell has been the policy of the US military for 11 years now. At the time they changed the policy I was 18 and thought that it was the correct move. Remember, at that time women still were not allowed to server in combat positions. (no pun intended)

To me any person that wants to put their life at risk for the service of our country should have the oppertunity to do so. Whether they are gay, women, black etc. At one time or another each one of those groups was barred from service.

One of the reasons the US military does not allow gays is they feel that they will reduce the moral of the soldier. Which is basically the same reason they denied women the right. They said that a male soldier would fold in combat at the sight of a female soldier dead or wounded.

Different type of moral loss, but none the less a loss of moral.

To be politically correct biggrin.gif. I am not a person of alternative lifestyle but I also don't think that I would be botherd by them being there. There were Homo's at my High School. There were Homo's at my college. There are even flaming Homo's at my work. So, if I were in the military why shouldn't there be Homo's there too?

By saying Homo I mean Homosexual. Not fag, queer, peter puffer, pillow biter, nancy boy, flamer or queen.

So, what do you guys think? Do you think that Gays belong in the military?



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Posted 06 December 2004 - 07:32 PM

Hey, we need to find recruits for the Navy somehow, don't we?




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Honestly, I think the issue is overrated. Who cares which way they swing? Just apply the same fraternization rules to them as to heterosexuals, they're normal human beings too.

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 08:22 PM

I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 09:34 PM

i agree just because a person is gay doesnt mean they cant shoot a gun just the same.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 09:34 PM

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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

I liked this mans army. Not the new one. War is about killing people. Nothing else, and we have lost focus. At the same time the PT test needs to be way harder. I can pack 100 pounds 12 miles in 3 hours. I can also carry a 200 pound person 400 meters in under 3 minutes. If you cannot, you should not see combat. If I am shot in the leg and you cannot carry me because your a fat weak lunchbox.gif I'm gonna shoot you in the leg.

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 09:37 PM

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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

I liked this mans army. Not the new one. War is about killing people. Nothing else, and we have lost focus. At the same time the PT test needs to be way harder. I can pack 100 pounds 12 miles in 3 hours. I can also carry a 200 pound person 400 meters in under 3 minutes. If you cannot, you should not see combat. If I am shot in the leg and you cannot carry me because your a fat weak lunchbox.gif I'm gonna shoot you in the leg.
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agreed, especially the leg part smile.gif
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 09:47 PM

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I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.


Military <> Women
Military = Gay
Military = Gay Women

So, if a woman is gay does that mean you will allow her in the military?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 12:49 AM

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Joke's on you, Charles!

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

I liked this mans army. Not the new one. War is about killing people. Nothing else, and we have lost focus. At the same time the PT test needs to be way harder. I can pack 100 pounds 12 miles in 3 hours. I can also carry a 200 pound person 400 meters in under 3 minutes. If you cannot, you should not see combat. If I am shot in the leg and you cannot carry me because your a fat weak lunchbox.gif I'm gonna shoot you in the leg.
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Don't forget the other part of war: Breaking other people's things before they break yours. The PT requirements were fairly rigorous when I was in the Navy, but then again there is only so far you need to cary a wounded person on a ship. smile.gif If a person can cary me 400 meters and then shoot the enemy in the center of mass without hesitating then I'm ok with them being in combat. If they can't then I don't care what sex they are and Charles is right they shoudn't be in combat duty. There are tons of other positions in the armed forces.

Notice how some California schools are using Don't as Don't tell to try and kick ROTC off campus because it might hurt peoples feelings.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 03:08 AM

QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif
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I meant I would move to canada

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 03:10 AM

QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif
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I meant I would move to canada
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Aren't women already fighting in Iraq? I'll make up the couch for you.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE(wattsat @ Dec 6 2004, 03:47 PM)
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I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.


Military <> Women
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Military = Gay Women

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:27 AM

QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 08:00 PM)
QUOTE(wattsat @ Dec 6 2004, 03:47 PM)
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I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.


Military <> Women
Military = Gay
Military = Gay Women

So, if a woman is gay does that mean you will allow her in the military?
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a women is a women, she belongs in the kitchen. smile.gif
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 09:10 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif
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I meant I would move to canada
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Aren't women already fighting in Iraq? I'll make up the couch for you.
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No and no. Plus I do not fit on a couch

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:55 AM

You sure?

American women fighting and dying in Iraq

War brings increased participation not considered a decade ago

BY MATT KELLEY
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WASHINGTON--Female American troops in Iraq have killed Iraqis with bombs and bullets. They've won medals for valor and Purple Hearts for combat wounds. They've been captured as prisoners of war, killed by enemy fire and buried as heroes in Arlington National Cemetery.

American women have participated more extensively in combat in Iraq than in any previous war in U.S. history. They've taken roles nearly inconceivable just a decade or two ago, flying fighter jets and attack helicopters, patrolling streets armed with machine guns and commanding units of mostly male soldiers. Seven have been killed in combat.

Yet all this has gone largely without much comment in Washington, despite the attention given to rescued POW Jessica Lynch.

Congress debated the issue of women in the military after the 1991 Gulf War, voting months later to loosen the 1948 ban on women in combat. The issue hasn't come up on Capitol Hill this year, however.

"It doesn't seem to be a big deal," said retired Navy Capt. Lory Manning, who tracks military issues for the Women's Research and Education Institute.

"We could not do what needs to be done over there without women. If there needs to be a body search of an Iraqi woman, there's no way an American male could do that."

Military women in Iraq say they are doing their jobs just like their male colleagues. Sgt. Erin Edwards, 23, often travels in armed convoys as part of her work as an aide to a commander of the 4th Infantry Division in Tikrit.

Edwards left her 3-year-old son and infant daughter with her in-laws to serve in Iraq because her husband serves in the Army in South Korea.

"I would love to be at home with my kids, but I'm doing this for them. I wouldn't want to do anything else," Edwards said recently.

Opponents of women in combat haven't resigned themselves to this turn of events. They're trying to pressure President Bush to reinstate restrictions on women serving in support units that travel close to the front lines, such as Lynch's 507th Maintenance Company, which was ambushed in Nasiriyah. That unit included the first American woman soldier killed in the Iraq war, Pfc. Lori Piestewa.

Elaine Donnelly, an opponent of women in combat who is spearheading a petition drive on the issue, said it's important that women not be put in danger of being captured and raped. Medical records indicate Lynch was sodomized while in Iraqi captivity, but she has said she does not remember it.

"If we are opposed to violence against women at the Air Force and other service academies, why all of a sudden if violence happens at the hands of the enemy, we say it doesn't matter?" said Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, which claims more than 20,000 signatures on the petition. "That's a step backward for civilization, not a step forward."

Pentagon officials say they do not keep track of the number of women serving in Iraq. Overall, 15 percent of active-duty troops and 17 percent of National Guard and reserve forces are women.

Acting on the 1991 law allowing greater roles for women, the Pentagon loosened restrictions on women's military service in 1994. The new rules allow women to become combat pilots and take other jobs that previously were off-limits.

The military retained some restrictions: Army women still can't serve in front-line infantry, tank or artillery units, and Navy women can't serve on submarines or in the SEAL special forces units, for example.

But the conflict in Iraq, in the manner of other modern wars, has blurred the line between combat and noncombat units.

Women can serve as military police, which patrol Iraqi cities and often have been involved in fighting with Iraqi insurgents. Supply convoys and troop transports often include female soldiers and have been the targets of repeated attacks by anti-American forces.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 05:01 AM

QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 10:46 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 09:10 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif
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I meant I would move to canada
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Aren't women already fighting in Iraq? I'll make up the couch for you.
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No and no. Plus I do not fit on a couch
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They are, just not as groundpounders. There was at least one female combat pilot sent over when that B1-B wing shifted out to the Middle East at the start of all this.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 05:21 AM

QUOTE(jross @ Dec 6 2004, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 10:46 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 09:10 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE(Red 850R @ Dec 6 2004, 06:43 PM)
QUOTE(Volvospeed Admin @ Dec 6 2004, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE(gdogg16 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:22 PM)
I don't really care about gays in the military, but I do think that women shouldn't be on the battlefield.
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Right on. Gay = fine by me. Women = Canada

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Joke's on you, Charles!

We don't even have a real military! tongue.gif
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I meant I would move to canada
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Aren't women already fighting in Iraq? I'll make up the couch for you.
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No and no. Plus I do not fit on a couch
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They are, just not as groundpounders. There was at least one female combat pilot sent over when that B1-B wing shifted out to the Middle East at the start of all this.
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Again not combat arms. I do not care if they wanna fly aircraft, dress wounds, cook chow, or just give BJs to keep spirits up. But women do not belong in combat arms. And no US women are serving as such. BTW PFC Lynch was a screw up and everyone serving with her knew it. I think she is case in point. Stuff hit the fan and she didn't even get a shot off.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 05:23 AM

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 05:56 AM

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