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[Zappo]

If you aren't white, you will be hassled.

[cheapwagon]

Sounds like a step in the right direction. I lived in Price William County, VA before moving back to Loudoun and they did this like 4 years ago. It works there and I am sure once the dust settles it will work in AZ also. My hope is that Virginia adopts the law statewide one day.

[Zappo]

KoolAidKid, on 18 May 2010 - 05:55 PM, said:

My hope is that Virginia adopts the law statewide one day.

Sounds like you are white.

[VolvoRine]

I personally don't agree... that law leans more to being discrimination than actually doing a positive impact in the state or society

Edited by 940_turbo_wagon, 18 May 2010 - 06:14 PM.

[cheapwagon]

Zappo, on 18 May 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:

Sounds like you are white.

Yes but if a cop asked for my ID I would provide it. I am sorry but I just don't see how that violates my civil rights.

[7 VII 7]

Who cares if he is white or not... they are illegal they should not be in the country unless authorized through Visa or work-order or student.

It is like the group of illegals who are suing a farmer in Texas because he shot one of them for trespassing on his land... they should not be able to sue.

I am not saying that illegals dont have human rights but people getting pissed off that they are trying to strain through the illegals... come on now.

I guess you side with the girl who has a 4.09 GPA and is pissed that she cant get federal loans to go to college

[Zappo]

7 VII 7, on 18 May 2010 - 06:46 PM, said:

Who cares if he is white or not... they are illegal they should not be in the country unless authorized through Visa or work-order or student.

As usual, you don't f'ing get it. The idea is to target illegals, but how do you tell they are illegal from outside the car? You don't. They pull the car over and find out. If they are illegal, they get pulled over once and then deported. That is how you and the rest of the backers of this law see it.

If you are an American citizen and happen to be Hispanic, you get pulled over, your ID checked, delayed for 5 minutes while they verify who you are, then they release you (assuming a drivers license will pass as valid ID) after you have been embarrassed for being pulled over for no reason other than your skin is brown. Then what? It fucking happens again and again and again. You will continually be pulled over and checked. Harassment for being Hispanic.

If Arizona enforced the laws they already have on the books, they wouldn't have as big of a problem, but like most states, they don't have the budget. New laws aren't the answer here.

[Pops Racer]

Did any of you read the law?

All it does is mandate local and state police enforce the existing Fed law.

You can not be pulled over because you look illegal. If you commit a moving violation or are suspected in a crime, you will be pulled over, and your shit checked. Thats it.

Do you really think cops wanna pull over cars to bust for iullegals? Really? Paperwork, time, effort and danger.

They caught the Times Sq idiot because he had entered the country legally, with documents and addresses. If thats not reason enough, then you dont get it.

Thats all I want, I dont care if your a white Irishman or a Blue Ukrainian, if your illegal, I wanna know you are here and where you are, and why.

What Phoenix is going thru...they should be able to do whatever they want.

[Zappo]

WINGNUT, on 18 May 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

You can not be pulled over because you look illegal. If you commit a moving violation or are suspected in a crime, you will be pulled over, and your shit checked. Thats it.

So, how is that different than before? Arizona would let you go if you didn't have a license? You can get a license without proper documentation? So, the new law is to compensate for other agencies not doing their job?

[Pops Racer]

Zappo, on 19 May 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

So, how is that different than before? Arizona would let you go if you didn't have a license? You can get a license without proper documentation? So, the new law is to compensate for other agencies not doing their job?

Basically, yeah!

ICE was not taking the cases. And the locals were discouraged at one point from reporting cases.

I think that rancher getting shot and killed on his property, plus the leaking drug wars on the borders finally got people concerned. My opinion. Texas has people dying and deserting towns. Mexicans as well as gringos.

ALready almost 400 kidnappings in Phoenix this year.

I mean, can you blame them? When does personal and civic safety finally trump political correctness?

If you are a legal or can produce papers, drivers license etc. then you have nothing to worry about. Especially if you dont commit any primary crimes or moving violations. Those are laws you and I live by every day, it can't apply to immigrants? Obey the law. Period.

I dont have the answer to the problem, but I'm appalled at the amount of extra crime, cost of education and use of social services attached to illegal immigration.

[7 VII 7]

Every time my fiance travels to an airport she gets her bag searched and gets searched... Her last name is Scottish but is spelled where it can sound Islamic/Muslim/Middle Eastern... but she does not care... yes it does delay her 30mins but that is the airlines job... they are profiling and looking at the passengers.. she is ok with it, I am ok with it.

[DonutsDemise]

7 VII 7, on 19 May 2010 - 02:04 AM, said:

Every time my fiance travels to an airport she gets her bag searched and gets searched... Her last name is Scottish but is spelled where it can sound Islamic/Muslim/Middle Eastern... but she does not care... yes it does delay her 30mins but that is the airlines job... they are profiling and looking at the passengers.. she is ok with it, I am ok with it.

I wouldn't be. Shouldn't they be looking for terrorists based on other evidence than unamerican last names?

[7 VII 7]

DonutsDemise, on 19 May 2010 - 05:12 AM, said:

I wouldn't be. Shouldn't they be looking for terrorists based on other evidence than unamerican last names?

They do that also but also read passengers names.

[Chilled Man]

OMG A law that actually inforces the federal law ................. Oh snap

[Spanky]

I know a shit ton of illegals here in town that came over for seasonal work and told me right off the bat "there is no way we are going back" . Sad thing is they are all eastern bloc countries and white as rice. I was even offered on a few occasions to get married for payments. Even though these women are hot, the payments did not include regular sexual favors so I passed . I am much more for finding out who is in our country currently, then taking over a sandlot somewhere in the middle east.

[cheapwagon]

This just in..

wut hmm maybe they will re-think the boycott.

[Chilled Man]

KoolAidKid, on 19 May 2010 - 06:07 PM, said:

This just in..

wut hmm maybe they will re-think the boycott.

awsome fuck cali

KoolAidKid, on 18 May 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

Yes but if a cop asked for my ID I would provide it. I am sorry but I just don't see how that violates my civil rights.

It doesnt by law you have to ....

Cop ask for ID you have to give it to them .

So still trying to find out the negative of this law is

[Pops Racer]

SPANKY, on 19 May 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

I know a shit ton of illegals here in town that came over for seasonal work and told me right off the bat "there is no way we are going back" . Sad thing is they are all eastern bloc countries and white as rice. I was even offered on a few occasions to get married for payments. Even though these women are hot, the payments did not include regular sexual favors so I passed . I am much more for finding out who is in our country currently, then taking over a sandlot somewhere in the middle east.

Total agree.

Why is this so hard? All our families are immigrants. They came here, learned english and the way of the land. And succeeded.

If its so terrible, why do they come here? The drug market is a huge deal. We should bill Mexico or any other country when we grab one of their citizens. And I dont wanna hear about work being done that Americans wont do, thats BS. Lets try it and see.

I cleaned toilets and houses for cash as a part time income. Cut lawns too. And worked on a bedding plant farm. Not great, but I paid my bills.

Edited by WINGNUT, 19 May 2010 - 06:42 PM.

[Spanky]

WINGNUT, on 19 May 2010 - 06:42 PM, said:

Total agree.

Why is this so hard? All our families are immigrants. They came here, learned english and the way of the land. And succeeded.

If its so terrible, why do they come here? The drug market is a huge deal. We should bill Mexico or any other country when we grab one of their citizens. And I dont wanna hear about work being done that Americans wont do, thats BS. Lets try it and see.

I cleaned toilets and houses for cash as a part time income. Cut lawns too. And worked on a bedding plant farm. Not great, but I paid my bills.

Besides Cali!! Coming out here in 01 from Ohio it was culture shock. Most of the Mexican Americans are some of the nicest people out west . I really could not see Cali surviving if one day all the illegals were rounded up and deported. Even in this town its very rare to see a white person working at a fast food place.