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[brick babe]

The war that was suppose to take weeks according to (we'll be welcomed as liberators)Cheney is now coming up on 3 years. The total lack of armor production is another example of just how POORLY planned this war was. Even sadder is that the media is covering Rumsfelds total disregard for the troops safety.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412160003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412100010

[Che'_Moderator]

The war that was suppose to take weeks according to (we'll be welcomed as liberators)Cheney is now coming up on 3 years.  The total lack of armor production is another example of just how POORLY planned this war was.  Even sadder is that the media is covering Rumsfelds total disregard for the troops safety.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412160003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412100010

They do not need armor for their patrol vehicles. They need tanks, or bradleys. Get the freaken political weenies to allow it and we would not have to dick with armoring HUMVEEs.

[theunderlord]

The war that was suppose to take weeks according to (we'll be welcomed as liberators)Cheney is now coming up on 3 years.  The total lack of armor production is another example of just how POORLY planned this war was.  Even sadder is that the media is covering Rumsfelds total disregard for the troops safety.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412160003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412100010

W_T_F ? I love it when people who don't contribute at all to the rest of the site just toss up this kinda crap...

oh wait, I don't...

Edited by '98S70R, 16 December 2004 - 05:03 PM.

[VS Legend]

Shh! It's a girl! Don't scare it away!

[Bay13]

Well you have several statements, and all of them are wrong, but your sources are to blame not you.

I'll start with trying to make a jeep into a tank. When the war started they needed the oversized jeep, but as tactics changed by the enemy the need changed. 18 months ago about 250 of the oversized jeeps had armor, now over 15,000 have the armor, just how fast do you think things should take?

You hit the nail on the head when you said who was saying there was a total disregard for the troops. Go figure. Someone needs to tell the liberal press the election is over, or is this all being done for the 2008 run.

I agree with Charles, if you don't like what the liberal media is reporting or chose to believe it but want it changed, then get ahold of your Congressman/Person and have them rebuild the Army that was torn down by the last batch of Dems in office. Rumsfeld is doing his job with what was left there to work with, he can't increase troop numbers, etc thats done by Congress.

[The Stig]

Shh!  It's a girl!  Don't scare it away!

[freeskier8585]

The war that was suppose to take weeks according to (we'll be welcomed as liberators)Cheney is now coming up on 3 years.  The total lack of armor production is another example of just how POORLY planned this war was.  Even sadder is that the media is covering Rumsfelds total disregard for the troops safety.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412160003
http://mediamatters.org/items/200412100010

They do not need armor for their patrol vehicles. They need tanks, or bradleys. Get the freaken political weenies to allow it and we would not have to dick with armoring HUMVEEs.

or some freaking AMTRAC's ... oohrah

Edited by freeskier8585, 18 December 2004 - 06:24 PM.

[jross]

Well you have several statements, and all of them are wrong, but your sources are to blame not you.

I'll start with trying to make a jeep into a tank.  When the war started they needed the oversized jeep, but as tactics changed by the enemy the need changed.  18 months ago about 250 of the oversized jeeps had armor, now over 15,000 have the armor, just how fast do you think things should take?

You hit the nail on the head when you said who was saying there was a total disregard for the troops.  Go figure.  Someone needs to tell the liberal press the election is over, or is this all being done for the 2008 run.

I agree with Charles, if you don't like what the liberal media is reporting or chose to believe it but want it changed, then get ahold of your Congressman/Person and have them rebuild the Army that was torn down by the last batch of Dems in office.  Rumsfeld is doing his job with what was left there to work with, he can't increase troop numbers, etc thats done by Congress.

I hate to say it, but the media is hardly liberal.

Now, on the topic of the armored Humvees -- I think Charles is right, they're using the wrong vehicles for the mission. And that isn't something you can blame the Dems for since they still have alot of tanks and Bradleys. At least, I see a whole bunch across the street from my office so...

[Bay13]

they're using the wrong vehicles for the mission. And that isn't something you can blame the Dems for

I'm not, I blame them for the huge down size of everything. There might be a reason those vechicles are parked across from your office instead of in the war. so..

If the major media are not liberal how would you describe their style of reporting?

[Che'_Moderator]

they're using the wrong vehicles for the mission. And that isn't something you can blame the Dems for

I'm not, I blame them for the huge down size of everything. There might be a reason those vechicles are parked across from your office instead of in the war. so..

If the major media are not liberal how would you describe their style of reporting?

Most media is liberal. Same with colleges. There are exceptions, but they are just that

[Che'_Moderator]

they're using the wrong vehicles for the mission. And that isn't something you can blame the Dems for

Bush sr. is the reason for the downsize.

I'm not, I blame them for the huge down size of everything. There might be a reason those vechicles are parked across from your office instead of in the war. so..

If the major media are not liberal how would you describe their style of reporting?

Most media is liberal. Same with colleges. There are exceptions, but they are just that

The closest thing to a liberal media might be PBS. Clear Channel, Sinclair, ABC, FOX, NBC, CNN are all conservative.

None of the sources in the original post are incorrect.

Wow sequestrum. You apparently have no balls or brains. Your too ball-less to post under your username, and too stupid to know ABC and CNN are not right wing.

[gdizzle]

they're using the wrong vehicles for the mission. And that isn't something you can blame the Dems for

Bush sr. is the reason for the downsize.

I'm not, I blame them for the huge down size of everything. There might be a reason those vechicles are parked across from your office instead of in the war. so..

If the major media are not liberal how would you describe their style of reporting?

Most media is liberal. Same with colleges. There are exceptions, but they are just that

The closest thing to a liberal media might be PBS. Clear Channel, Sinclair, ABC, FOX, NBC, CNN are all conservative.

None of the sources in the original post are incorrect.

Wow sequestrum. You apparently have no balls or brains. Your too pizzaless to post under your username, and too stupid to know ABC and CNN are not right wing.

gotta love the IP check! PWN3D

[InlineTurbo]

Nothing like hoovering up all that the Liberal media spits out. Did you know that this whole thing was planted at a press conference by a reporter? Did you also know the division that the reporter, that unethically planted the question with a soldier, was from actually was already about 97% armored? Did you know that the reporter bragged about planting this question against the rules of the press conference?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/...n-reporter.html


"I was told yesterday that only soldiers could ask questions so I brought two of them along with me as my escorts," he wrote. "Before hand we worked on questions to ask Rumsfeld about the appalling lack of armor their vehicles going into combat have."

He also said he went to the officer running the question and answer session "and made sure he knew to get my guys out of the crowd."

http://www.tennessean.com/nation-world/arc...ent_ID=62929024


Army Maj. Gen. Stephen Speakes and Army Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sorenson, senior members of the Army's combat systems development and acquisition team at the Pentagon, said protective armor plates were added to the last 20 vehicles of the Tennessee-based 278th Regimental Combat Team's 830 vehicles shortly after the exchange with Rumsfeld.


Also of interest:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/ledeen200412230852.asp

Oh, and CNN conservative?
I guess you can join Bill Moyers out there in fantasy land.

[scooter]

Let's do a "what if" so I can make a point. I think it's a good one.
I think it's so good, I'd like to hear from anyone who disagrees.

What if a show like Dateline did a "hatchet job" on George W. Bush?
It wouldn't have to really be a hatchet job, but any honest appraisal of that idiot's
qualifications would prove he's a non-thinking rich man's boy - and that's all.
But what would happen if Dateline did an unflattering portrait of Bush?

I'll tell you what would happen:

The vulgar Pigboy would spend at least three hours saying it wasn't true
and he'd offer hours of rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Bill O'Reilly would spend at least an hour on his show saying
it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Sean Hannity would walk all over Alan Colmes for an hour that night,
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Eva Von Zahn would spend at least an hour that night saying it wasn't true
and she'd offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

The Beltway Boys would spend at least an hour that night saying it
wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Brit Hume and Tony Snow would spend at least an hour on Sunday
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Juan Williams and Mara Liason would spend their entire allotted time
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

John McLaughlin would spend at least an hour on his syndicated show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Chris the Screamer would spend at least an hour on his show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

G. Gordon Liddy would spend at least three hours on his radio show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Laura the Whore would spend at least an hour on her radio show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Michael Medved would spend at least an hour on his radio show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Sam and Cokie would spend at least an hour on This Whore
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

George (Judas Maximus) Steffi and George (dumb as a chimp) Will
would spend their entire allotted time swearing that it wasn't true.

Bob Scheiffer would spend at least an hour on Face the Whore
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Tim the Catholic would spend at least an hour on Meet the Whore
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

John Hockenberry would spend at least an hour on his show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Ollie North would spend at least an hour on his radio show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Robert Novak would spend at least an hour on his cable TV show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Paul Weyrich would spend at least an hour on his cable TV show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Still with me? We're close to the end...

BSNBC's Brian Williams would spend at least an hour on his show
saying it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Wolf the Whore would spend at least an hour on his show saying
it wasn't true and offer rebuttal as to why Dateline was lying.

Bill Schneider and Candy Crowley would do an hour special on CCN
(Clinton Cock Network) saying it wasn't true, and offering rebuttal.

John Stossel would have a special on ABC: Is lying OK for liberals?

Then Howie Kurtz would spend 30 minutes on Reliable Sources asking
if the media wasn't being too hard on a developmently-disabled child.

Barbara Olson would write a book condemning Dateline.
Ann Coulter would write a book condemning Dateline.
Laura Ingraham would write a book condemning Dateline.
Peggy Noonan would write a book condemning Dateline.
Andrew Sullivan would write a book condemning Dateline.
William Safire would write a book condemning Dateline.

OK, we're going to call the above "Exhibit A."

Now, everyone on that list has done at least a dozen hit pieces on Clinton.

My question is, Where is "Exhibit B?"

When those 38 people attack Clinton and his cock, who does the rebuttal?

Even you ditto-sheep have to admit that nobody on that list
has EVER defended a fabricated lie against the president.

There is no "Exhibit B," because there are so few liberal voices on television.
The closest you can get is Eleanor on McLaughlin or Geraldo, but there is barely
a liberal whisper on television, even though there are DOZENS of right-wing,
Smirk-apologist shows whose livelyhood is lying about liberals.

It was obviously the "liberal" media that spent 24/7 whining about Clinton getting a blow job. Not a peep though about Bush ignoring the Phoenix memo in the mainstream media... hmm.

[InlineTurbo]

Oooh, a driveby poster. Post count less than 5 in the political discussion area. Try posting something with some actual content instead of a repost of something off of the DU. You posted nothing, but total conjecture of what you think things are like. If you actully looked at how things are instead of how you want them to be then you would be closer to getting it. The media did several "hatchet" pieces on Bush during the campaign. Most of which backfired and just cost them viewers. People spouting things like you posted, Michael Moore, Terry Mcauliffe, George Sorros, ect. cost Democrats voters everytime they open their mouth. They might attract one or two uninformed people, but for every one they attract they drive 2-3 more away. So keep up your strategy. Its fine by me. Then we can keep people with more adult views running the country. Personally I'd love to kick all the politicians out of Washington, but I'll listen to politicians who talk common sense any day over the crap that the left has been dishing out for the last 20+ years.

[qwkbrk]

Well you have several statements, and all of them are wrong, but your sources are to blame not you.

I'll start with trying to make a jeep into a tank.  When the war started they needed the oversized jeep, but as tactics changed by the enemy the need changed.  18 months ago about 250 of the oversized jeeps had armor, now over 15,000 have the armor, just how fast do you think things should take?

You hit the nail on the head when you said who was saying there was a total disregard for the troops.  Go figure.  Someone needs to tell the liberal press the election is over, or is this all being done for the 2008 run.

I agree with Charles, if you don't like what the liberal media is reporting or chose to believe it but want it changed, then get ahold of your Congressman/Person and have them rebuild the Army that was torn down by the last batch of Dems in office.  Rumsfeld is doing his job with what was left there to work with, he can't increase troop numbers, etc thats done by Congress.

I love it when people jump in accuse the "liberal" media of lying for political gain. Who f#$k do you think owns the "liberal media"? The great left wing zelot Rupart Murdoch? Oh it must be General Electric the maker of all those wepeons of liberal kindness. Or maybe the Disney empire they are just the liberals that the Dems and Greens talk about. Come on I work for the "liberal media" and it's anything but.

The facts are these: This administration went to war on a flawed post war plan with too few troops and on less than reliable intellegence. Rummy said it best "You don't always get to go to war with the Army you want, you sometimes have to go with one you've got". Well they picked the time and place and could have had the army they needed.

I would love to have a reservist read your post right before he or she has to go out on patrol in an vehicle that they had to cobble together.

Also just as the White House was claiming that no service man or woman was being sent over without body armor the show I work on was raising money to get an intern who was called up hers. She sent an email asking for our help because here barracks were hit by mortors the night before and one of her mates was killed. She was told that it would be 8-10 months before she would get it from the government so we ponied up and bought it for her.

[Che'_Moderator]

Any reservist who is upset is just pissed he actually has to earn his check this year.

[qwkbrk]

Any reservist who is upset is just pissed he actually has to earn his check this year.

You are right they are so well paid and they were just here kickn' it livin' a life of luxury. Now they get sent into a bad situation and all they want is the proper equipment. What a bunch of whiney wimps. Good thing they have brave Americans at home like you to support them.

[Che'_Moderator]

Any reservist who is upset is just pissed he actually has to earn his check this year.

You are right they are so well paid and they were just here kickn' it livin' a life of luxury. Now they get sent into a bad situation and all they want is the proper equipment. What a bunch of whiney wimps. Good thing they have brave Americans at home like you to support them.

Support them? You mean by developing uninvasive sensor technology for them to use? Or maybe better charlie boxes and skull mics for tanks. Or maybe you mean sight systems that can be used with a gas mask on. Oh your right. None of that is important. WTF are you doing to support them? The equipment is fine. The problem is getting politicians to allow them to use it. Again they don't need armored HUMVEES. They need tanks which they have.