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#1 ozzimark

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:43 PM

So the time has finally come for me to pursue what I have been wanting to do for a while. I have picked up a used 2002 C70 HPT (B5234T3) engine that I will tear apart and do a modest build up of the internals. Things are not set in stone for all of the parts, but I'm waiting on RSI for 143mm rods and 81.5mm pistons. The rotating assembly will get balanced, the block bored out, and decked if required. Not sure if I'm gonna do any porting work on the head, since I chose the RN engine in the first place because of how well the head flowed compared to the older heads. I'm leaning towards a 56 trim GT2871R with a 0.64 A/R turbine housing. I'm toying with the idea of going larger, but this will be my DD, and I really don't want to wait too long for the turbo to spool up :ph34r: Also, VVT will be staying :)

There are a hell of a lot of things I don't know, and will have to figure out along the way, since this will the first engine I've ever taken apart and put back together :lol:

The engine, subframe, accessories and transmission showed up yesterday, neatly wrapped, and on two skids, courtesy of bdimag. I didn't have time last night to get to work on it, so I let it just sit there on the skid, in all of its dirty and grimy glory.. :lol: Actually, it's really pretty clean for being an 8 year old engine. A bit of oil by the belt pulleys and along the front of the engine, but that's the majority of it :tup:
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I had scheduled a vacation day for other reasons a while back, and it just worked out perfectly that I got to spend the morning working on getting stuff off the engine and putting the engine up on the stand for cleaning up and disassembly. First order of business was getting some parts out of the way so that I had better access to the stuff I'm working on.. plus, it all has to come off anyway :lol: I plan on using the -98 style manifold, but keeping that cute little power steering pump when the build is done. Does anyone know of any differences in pressure/flow from the old style pump to the newer one?
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Before I could lift the engine up a bit to get the transmission off, I had to get them off the subframe. The trans mount was still attached, so I had to pull it partially off the skid to take off those two 18mm nuts that hold the mount to the subframe.
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This will go in the corner for later use. As a side note, anyone picking up a C70 subframe for the solid bushings, make sure it's from a convertible, not a coupe ;)
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Next up is taking the transmission off. Just a bunch of M10 bolts and a few whacks with a rubber mallet to break to two apart. I didn't undo the bolts for the torque converter beforehand, so I had to figure out how it was attached. After trying to pull it off and gently pry it for a while, I noticed a bolt on the back side when looking through the starter hole, and realized how it came off... :arob:
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Move the engine stand into docking position! :lol:
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Docking complete!
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Btw, if anyone wants to take that AW55-50SN out of my garage... B)



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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:57 PM

I'll be watching this thread. Looking forward to the results, because I'll be doing something similar. Will you be installing an M56 while you're at it?

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

Thanks :D Most likely I'll just swap over the M56 that's in my car now and drop a Quaife in it at the same time. If I can score a fwd M66 for cheap, I'll go that route :D

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

Looking forward to what this build has in store for that T5M. I thought you already paid for/had your pistons tho?
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:10 PM

All of that work looks exactly the same as pulling my S80 engine... except... there was one more cylinder. haha
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:10 PM

Funny how similar all the whiteblocks look, huh? :P

Looking forward to what this build has in store for that T5M. I thought you already paid for/had your pistons tho?


I have, just waiting for RSI to get the rest of the GB order in and ship them out. It's only taken.. well, forever :lol:

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 08:11 PM

Are you going with a Turbo Tuner or will you be modifying the block like Jon did in his budget build to stick with your current tune?

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 08:56 PM

I have decided...I want a garage like yours someday!

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:30 AM

watching this thread, sounds like some good stuff planned for the build. Are you going to stay with the ETM when you switch manifolds or go to manual?
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:36 AM

watching this thread, sounds like some good stuff planned for the build. Are you going to stay with the ETM when you switch manifolds or go to manual?


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Posted 07 August 2010 - 06:34 PM

Should be a fun project. :)

So you are just going to port the -98 intake mani to mate up with the larger ports? Too bad you didn't get the new intake mani with the motor, you could have cut the runners off and built a custom plenum.

No VVT on the intake? but you plan on keeping the exh VVT.. building a controller? What are you using to tune the motor? standalone? TT?

What is the difference in valve sizes with the new motors compared to the -98 T5s?

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 08:14 PM

Please correct me if mistaking but you talk about 143mm RSI rods while your engine comes with 147 mm rods.

The 143 mm rods are used with a 93.2 mm stroked crank. Unless the piston compression height is matched to the combination of a 90 mm stroke crank and 143 mm rods it is not going to fit.

Just a FYI. Good luck with the project.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 11:52 PM

Umm who s40 is that :)
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 06:30 AM

Please correct me if mistaking but you talk about 143mm RSI rods while your engine comes with 147 mm rods.

The 143 mm rods are used with a 93.2 mm stroked crank. Unless the piston compression height is matched to the combination of a 90 mm stroke crank and 143 mm rods it is not going to fit.


I'm having trouble understanding..
Are you saying 143mm rods with the 93.2mm crank will not work because the stock rods are 147mm?

Maybe: late at night + trying to read = fail :lol:
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 05:25 PM

wish you could make a S70 stroker moter... cause id stroke my S70, erotically
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 12:36 PM

This should be a good thread to watch Posted Image.
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 12:41 PM

Hey guys, thanks for the comments :D No progress over the weekend, I drove the S70 for five hours down to Philly, an hour and a half to Newark, then drove a very floaty and numb A4 to a neighborhood 45min west of DC.. got about 18 hours of driving time in from friday night to sunday night, while the engine just sat in the garage at home :lol:

ETM is garbage.

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+1 to that, I like my throttle cable. ETM has it's uses, but this project is not one of them


Should be a fun project. :)

So you are just going to port the -98 intake mani to mate up with the larger ports? Too bad you didn't get the new intake mani with the motor, you could have cut the runners off and built a custom plenum.

No VVT on the intake? but you plan on keeping the exh VVT.. building a controller? What are you using to tune the motor? standalone? TT?

What is the difference in valve sizes with the new motors compared to the -98 T5s?

Thanks Mark :D Your build is one of the ones that inspired me to embark on this process. How is your engine doing anyhow? Did you ever get it switched over to a single mass flywheel and turn up the boost a bit, or is the little one still taking up too much of your time? :lol:

You nailed it on the -98 intake, that's exactly what I plan to do. I'd love to fab up a custom intake manifold, but I'd be kidding myself if I thought I was skilled enough to pull it off properly. Maybe it's worth a shot anyway.. :ph34r:

Noo VVT on the intake, afaik, only R engine and the 05+ T5 engines have dual VVT, the others got single, exhaust on the turbos, intake on the NA engines. It is my plan to build a VVT controller similar to what Lucky describes here: http://volvospeed.co...48#entry1709248
I haven't decided what input to use for modifying the exhaust cam timing, but I think I'll just stick with a MAP sensor feeding the circuit board...

For tuning, I'm planning on going with TT once the COP support is rolled out. If that implementation doesn't work out the way I would like, I'll go with a standalone setup, although I would really like to avoid that because I would like to be able to basically swap engines over a weekend and having it driving in a short time. Having the car sitting in the garage for a week while I figure out the wires isn't really something I want to do :lol:


Please correct me if mistaking but you talk about 143mm RSI rods while your engine comes with 147 mm rods.

The 143 mm rods are used with a 93.2 mm stroked crank. Unless the piston compression height is matched to the combination of a 90 mm stroke crank and 143 mm rods it is not going to fit.

Just a FYI. Good luck with the project.

Ah, thanks for the insight Johann! I'm always trying to find out more about these engines, and what the differences are between the different engines and what changes from year to year. I put together what I thought was a relatively accurate compilation of some info on these engines, but it's quite likely that I'm mistaken. If you don't mind adding your input and pointing out things that I could be wrong on.. http://volvospeed.co...n-n-whiteblock/ :wub: :lol:

For the rod/piston combination, I am under the impression that despite changes to the rod length through the years, the crank centerline to deck distance remains the same for all of the 2.3L engines. Since this is true, the 139.5mm rods and corresponding pistons that went into the earlier engines should work without a problem in the later blocks. When you look at RSI's catalog, they offer two rod+piston combinations for the 2.3L engines, 139.5mm + pistons with a 35.9mm compression height, and 143mm rods and pistons that have a 3.5mm shorter compression height, so that the whole package is the same height. The idea that this engine could have the 147mm rods was something I didn't even think about, since I thought those only went into the NA engines. :huh: :lol:

Either way, I'll know for sure once I pull the engine apart, which was the secondary goal of this project: to document as many things as I can about the engine for future reference. It make me sad to see how little real information there is available to enthusiast builders in the states, and I think that is a lot of what is hampering our development of these engines.. If I can do anything to help someone else do something better down the road, I'll be happy :)


Umm who s40 is that :)

What S40 :lol:

wish you could make a S70 stroker moter... cause id stroke my S70, erotically

I could, but 90mm is already long enough. :o

This should be a good thread to watch Posted Image.

It's always fun to watch a noob learn from his mistakes, isn't it? :lol:

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 01:12 PM

sooooo project bolverk... turns into project kvolber, so your makin this for me?! thanks man i appreciate it
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 05:07 PM

Yea, the little ones take up all of my time. :lol: It was hard enough finding time to change my plugs and clean my intake/catch can on the weekend.

At this point, the singlemass swap is going to have to wait until my current clutch is toast. When that happens, i'll convert to singlemass with a 707 plate and whatever disc and will throw a quaife in. ;)

Do you know if there a difference in valve size with the newer motor? Maybe it's in your RN thread.

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 05:47 PM

:lol: Yeah, I'm glad I don't have little ones running around yet, from that perspective. One day, sure.. but not yet. :lol:

There apparently is a difference in the valve size, but I'm not sure what that difference is. I'll measure the valves when I take the head off, and compare it to someone else who has an older head opened up.




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