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[Zappo]

You say Glenn Beck's an idiot and then use him as a representative for the conservative party...

Beck isn't an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing.

The people who believe everything that spews out his pie hole are the idiots.

[volvotool]

Beck isn't an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing.

The people who believe everything that spews out his pie hole are the idiots.

True. Glenn Beck ain't nothing new. Con men and hucksters appealing to people's suspicions, ignorance and fear are an American tradition.

[Kevin.]

So at the same time you could say that Obama appealed to the thought of "hope and change" just to get votes then.

[Fishey]

I am still waiting on a sound debate on how Obama and his administration are not Socialist.

[s70turbo1998]

I am still waiting on a sound debate on how Obama and his administration are not Socialist.

FOX NEWS rabble rabble rabble

[Kevin.]

FOX NEWS rabble rabble rabble

let's hear a real explanation.

[Fishey]

FOX NEWS rabble rabble rabble

Well, come on with it. I am simply brining up the subject again since people seem to disagree on the current administration pushing a socialist agenda. Also, any reply that refers to bush is not a valid answer and you will be ridiculed at your own retardation if you talk about any other administration.

[s70turbo1998]

My reply was meant to mock the responses that will divert from addressing direct issues and skirt back towards claiming opposition to liberal ideals is ignorant and baseless. I agree that Obama and his administration have a Socialist hue, and that the government has also run amok to a certain degree.

[Kevin.]

hey volvotool how about you actually say something instead of being a bitch and -1'ing everything I say

[DonutsDemise]

Well, come on with it. I am simply brining up the subject again since people seem to disagree on the current administration pushing a socialist agenda. Also, any reply that refers to bush is not a valid answer and you will be ridiculed at your own retardation if you talk about any other administration.

If Obama is "pushing socialism," how would you describe the Bush Administration's trillion dollar bailout of the Wall Street banks with tax payer dollars? Isn't that socialism? As a free market capitalist, you were probably against that even though I never heard you fox news types call Bush a socialist.

[Fudge_Brownie]

If Obama is "pushing socialism," how would you describe the Bush Administration's trillion dollar bailout of the Wall Street banks with tax payer dollars? Isn't that socialism? As a free market capitalist, you were probably against that even though I never heard you fox news types call Bush a socialist.

Not relevant in any way. His question is not a "obama vs. bush" question. He wants to hear an arguement that Obama is socialist. Presidential history is 110% irrelevant in the answer.

[Kevin.]

Well, come on with it. I am simply brining up the subject again since people seem to disagree on the current administration pushing a socialist agenda. Also, any reply that refers to bush is not a valid answer and you will be ridiculed at your own retardation if you talk about any other administration.

If Obama is "pushing socialism," how would you describe the Bush Administration's trillion dollar bailout of the Wall Street banks with tax payer dollars? Isn't that socialism? As a free market capitalist, you were probably against that even though I never heard you fox news types call Bush a socialist.

Not relevant in any way. His question is not a "obama vs. bush" question. He wants to hear an arguement that Obama is socialist. Presidential history is 110% irrelevant in the answer.

exactly Alden. Bringing up past presidents and smearing them while avoiding the argument at hand is really pretty pathetic

Edited by FAULTY-KeVTRoN, 22 September 2010 - 07:01 PM.

[DonutsDemise]

Not relevant in any way. His question is not a "obama vs. bush" question. He wants to hear an arguement that Obama is socialist. Presidential history is 110% irrelevant in the answer.

I was simply giving an example of what socialist intervention in the economy looks like. Our government has had socialist currents ever since its inception, i.e. free public schooling, USPS, Amtrak, our interstates, all funded by the government and the use of our taxes. Calling Obama a socialist is simply a right wing ploy to incite negative emotions in less informed Americans in order to artificially strengthen their position in economic and social debates. It is a non-issue and that is all I am trying to point out.

[Fudge_Brownie]

I was simply giving an example of what socialist intervention in the economy looks like. Our government has had socialist currents ever since its inception, i.e. free public schooling, USPS, Amtrak, our interstates, all funded by the government and the use of our taxes. Calling Obama a socialist is simply a right wing ploy to incite negative emotions in less informed Americans in order to artificially strengthen their position in economic and social debates. It is a non-issue and that is all I am trying to point out.

You say that our government has had socialist currents, include examples from history to demonstrat this, and in the same breath, say calling Obama socialist is right wing bullshit? I'm very very confused. How come answering Fishey's question is so hard? If he isn't socialist, it shouldn't be hard to prove this. And saying that America has had socialist tones over the years does not mean that Obama is therefore not socialist if he has kept with the trend.

[DonutsDemise]

You say that our government has had socialist currents, include examples from history to demonstrat this, and in the same breath, say calling Obama socialist is right wing bullshit? I'm very very confused. How come answering Fishey's question is so hard? If he isn't socialist, it shouldn't be hard to prove this. And saying that America has had socialist tones over the years does not mean that Obama is therefore not socialist if he has kept with the trend.

I am not saying he's not at all socialist. I am saying it's nothing new so what's the big deal? This is such an empty argument. The discussion should be about what the Tea Bagger Party agenda is because all I have heard about is lower taxes, no national health care, etc. How do they plan to do this and what do they think will work better? They win primaries by calling Obama socialist and because the spineless democrats can't defend themselves but what do they plan to do if they get into office?

[s70turbo1998]

Dems can and will defend themselves if they have the means to do so. Teabaggers are winning because they have support. National health care pisses a lot of people off. Tax cuts should be extended. If you tax big business, they won't hire more, and there is less incentive for innovation because new ideas will suffer at the expense of balancing the budget in order to garner g'ment support. Obama is great, he's just caught up in the system.*

*PUI**

**posting under the influence

[volvotool]

hey volvotool how about you actually say something instead of being a oh yeah! and -1'ing everything I say

Your fan club is evidently bigger than me. Sorry, but I haven't logged on for over a week. I put you back to "0." You're welcome.

I am still waiting on a sound debate on how Obama and his administration are not Socialist.

So someone has to prove your negative assertion? How about you go ahead and prove your positive assertion that the Obama administration is Socialist by any traditional definition of the word, because up to now listening to you attempt to define socialism reminds me of this:

Edited by volvotool, 25 September 2010 - 02:48 PM.

[DonutsDemise]

So someone has to prove your negative assertion? How about you go ahead and prove your positive assertion that the Obama administration is Socialist by any traditional definition of the word, because up to now listening to you attempt to define socialism reminds me of this:

Obama is a socialist because:

His government collects taxes
His government provides services to the people that those taxes pay for
Senior citizens in this country can collect social(ist) security checks
People in this country have access to free education (K-12)
People in this country are allowed to make use of a communication and transportation infrastructure paid for and maintained by the government
Corn farmers are subsidized
Oil companies are subsidized
The government regulates our mixed economy
And there are many more reasons.

Now I don't see what the problem with this is except for the reasons behind the corn and oil subsidies. I want to know why it's a bad thing that we have all of these opportunities in the land of opportunity or why it's bad that the government can force companies to stop selling things that are overtly harmful to the population (except for cigarettes and fast food because big tobacco and big food are too powerful)

[Fudge_Brownie]

That's not really saying Obama is socialist. It's saying the current American economy is socialist, which Obama had little to do with.

[volvotool]

It's saying the current American economy is socialist...

That's hilarious.

Really. I want to see the stamps on your passport before you get a pass on a statement that silly.

Edited by volvotool, 28 September 2010 - 03:19 AM.