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[Fudge_Brownie]

It's saying =/= I'm saying

Also, what do stamps on passports have to do with the economy? Indirectly there are surely effects, but directly?

[Fishey]

DonutsDemise, on 27 September 2010 - 12:10 AM, said:

Obama is a socialist because:

His government collects taxes
His government provides services to the people that those taxes pay for
Senior citizens in this country can collect social(ist) security checks
People in this country have access to free education (K-12)
People in this country are allowed to make use of a communication and transportation infrastructure paid for and maintained by the government
Corn farmers are subsidized
Oil companies are subsidized
The government regulates our mixed economy
And there are many more reasons.

Now I don't see what the problem with this is except for the reasons behind the corn and oil subsidies. I want to know why it's a bad thing that we have all of these opportunities in the land of opportunity or why it's bad that the government can force companies to stop selling things that are overtly harmful to the population (except for cigarettes and fast food because big tobacco and big food are too powerful)

There is alot wrong with how you see the world.

1. Its not Obama's Government its United States Government (He just leads the Executive Branch)
2. Social Security is about to be Broke and really people would have been much better off had they had the option to invest the money themselves over the long run. The return on investment for the American people has been extremely negative but again Socialist thought it could actually work! HAHA I guess, the same goes for Medicare and whatever other programs the socialist have tried to implement and have over the years turned into the giant problems we are dealing with today.
3. Free Access To Education? We pay for it its not free. Also, its one of the worst $ to results systems in the world because the government is in control. Let the money follow the kids and give them choice. Make Education a free market with government backed vouchers and then you will see how bad the government and teachers unions really are.
4 This one really had me laughing... so I made it bold in your post. Really, the government has a magical ability to create actual wealth? No they can create debt and inflate currency but they cannot create wealth. So again, this is payed for by the hard working American people (about 50% of the population)
5. The government regulates our economy and I agree. Lets all see how that is going? Yep, pretty much sucks because of many reasons that are spawned from the results of socialism such as corporate taxes. "AKA, lets make all our companies want to leave because we make them struggle on a world market". I would say alot more but simply put I don't really care enough to argue it.
6. Seriously, you want to government to control what people eat? Maybe they will make everyone who is fat go to a camp and put them on the Auschwitz diet!

Edited by Fishey, 30 September 2010 - 04:39 AM.

[DonutsDemise]

Fishey, on 30 September 2010 - 04:30 AM, said:

There is alot wrong with how you see the world.


1. Its not Obama's Government its United States Government (He just leads the Executive Branch)
2. Social Security is about to be Broke and really people would have been much better off had they had the option to invest the money themselves over the long run. The return on investment for the American people has been extremely negative but again Socialist thought it could actually work! HAHA I guess, the same goes for Medicare and whatever other programs the socialist have tried to implement and have over the years turned into the giant problems we are dealing with today.
3. Free Access To Education? We pay for it its not free. Also, its one of the worst $ to results systems in the world because the government is in control. Let the money follow the kids and give them choice. Make Education a free market with government backed vouchers and then you will see how bad the government and teachers unions really are.
4 This one really had me laughing... so I made it bold in your post. Really, the government has a magical ability to create actual wealth? No they can create debt and inflate currency but they cannot create wealth. So again, this is payed for by the hard working American people (about 50% of the population)
5. The government regulates our economy and I agree. Lets all see how that is going? Yep, pretty much sucks because of many reasons that are spawned from the results of socialism such as corporate taxes. "AKA, lets make all our companies want to leave because we make them struggle on a world market". I would say alot more but simply put I don't really care enough to argue it.
6. Seriously, you want to government to control what people eat? Maybe they will make everyone who is fat go to a camp and put them on the Auschwitz diet!

There is a lot wrong with how you understand the world and what I am talking about. I see the world the same way you do, I just use my intellect to understand what's going on as well.


1. The way you people argue about our government, for fox news' and your purposes it is "Obama's government"
2. Social Security is a welfare program. I wasn't arguing about what Bush's administration and the republicans did to it's status.
3. Ugh, if I had a kid I could go sign him up for elementary school without having to pay tuition (for free). I wasn't talking about the fact that I don't have a kid and I do pay for elementary schools to operate. That's how a social welfare system works. We pay, you use it, when I have a kid I'll use it too. It's for the common good. The "free enterprise" system of schooling you're talking about leads to unequal opportunities, not that it's equal right now. The way it should work is rich assholes shouldn't be afraid to send their kids to any public school in the country, they should all be equal and the private school voucher program isn't helping.
4. What are you talking about? The government has a budget... I pay rent (or taxes) to live in this country and they spend it on stuff to make it worth living in. One of the things they spend it on is fixing roads, I know you drive past a construction zone somewhere on your way to work unless you live in the boonies.
5. You don't like regulation, move to Somalia.
6. When did I say I want them to control what I eat? I eat organic foods when I can by choice and it wouldn't hurt if people like you were influenced to so the same. When I can't find an organic alternative I have to buy corn products because the government pays farmers to grow too much corn which forces companies to put it in my food making things like Coca-Cola taste worse than it does in Canada and Europe. Anyone who has ever traveled abroad and enjoyed a Coke knows what I am talking about.


Also, are you a teacher? Do you know anything about teacher unions and school vouchers other than what you see on TV?

[s70turbo1998]

Elaborate on your extensive knowledge of teaching. I'm formulating a response but would love to hear what being a teacher has to do with anything. Don't take this the wrong way either, I'm genuinely interested in others' opinions on the position of teachers in the world.

[Chilled Man]

DonutsDemise, on 02 October 2010 - 05:23 PM, said:

There is a lot wrong with how you understand the world and what I am talking about. I see the world the same way you do, I just use my intellect to understand what's going on as well.


1. The way you people argue about our government, for fox news' and your purposes it is "Obama's government"
2. Social Security is a welfare program. I wasn't arguing about what Bush's administration and the republicans did to it's status.
3. Ugh, if I had a kid I could go sign him up for elementary school without having to pay tuition (for free). I wasn't talking about the fact that I don't have a kid and I do pay for elementary schools to operate. That's how a social welfare system works. We pay, you use it, when I have a kid I'll use it too. It's for the common good. The "free enterprise" system of schooling you're talking about leads to unequal opportunities, not that it's equal right now. The way it should work is rich assholes shouldn't be afraid to send their kids to any public school in the country, they should all be equal and the private school voucher program isn't helping.
4. What are you talking about? The government has a budget... I pay rent (or taxes) to live in this country and they spend it on stuff to make it worth living in. One of the things they spend it on is fixing roads, I know you drive past a construction zone somewhere on your way to work unless you live in the boonies.
5. You don't like regulation, move to Somalia.
6. When did I say I want them to control what I eat? I eat organic foods when I can by choice and it wouldn't hurt if people like you were influenced to so the same. When I can't find an organic alternative I have to buy corn products because the government pays farmers to grow too much corn which forces companies to put it in my food making things like Coca-Cola taste worse than it does in Canada and Europe. Anyone who has ever traveled abroad and enjoyed a Coke knows what I am talking about.


Also, are you a teacher? Do you know anything about teacher unions and school vouchers other than what you see on TV?

1. who cares your both whining about nothing in 2 years it will be someone else.
2. Its not supposed to be a welfare program your supposed to get back what you put and then some since it supposed to invested correctly wich it isnt since its robbed left and right for everything else , its also what 50% of your taxes on yoru check.
3. Why shoudl I have to pay for something I will never use ? I will never have kids so I will never use it, my parents paid for me to go why should I have to pay for the neighbors kids ? And life isnt fair and yes we are all humans but so far from behing created equal its retarded. so get over that shit fast.
4. Budget yeah a huge fucking negative one I wish I could do that also
5. There regulation and then theres getting into stuff they have no fucking business being in.
6. Let me eat how I want when I want where I want. again something they have no buisness being in.

[DonutsDemise]

s70turbo1998, on 02 October 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

Elaborate on your extensive knowledge of teaching. I'm formulating a response but would love to hear what being a teacher has to do with anything. Don't take this the wrong way either, I'm genuinely interested in others' opinions on the position of teachers in the world.

He criticized teacher unions and I wanted him to elaborate on it. That wasn't a final statement or whatever you misunderstood it to be. It was a question.

[Pops Racer]

Ahhh more insanity...


We have not been a free Republic for sometime now. Its a ll socialism-lite, no doubt and you, cant argue that it isnt.

Did you got to DC Saturday?

What a joke, communists, unions, progressiv/socialists, bussed by their slave masters to DC.

And they left the place a shit hole. Warter bottles and diapers everywhere. Some environmentalists huh?

Lets see, 35% of the country independent, 33% Democrats, 33% Republicans. Guess where the Indy's are gonna stand ?


Who's a Fabian socialist, raise your hand?

Edited by Pops Racer, 04 October 2010 - 09:57 PM.