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[NJGreenBudd]

Okay so the situation is like this:

2002 S60 AWD 2.4T w/130,000 miles
RICA Stage 2 LPT Tune
Stock 13G Turbo
K&N Cone Intake
IPD HD TCV
OBX 3" Catless DP
EST 'R' Catback
Custom NJGB FMIC

I have a freshly rebuilt 16T w/ RICA HD CBV ready to go. RICA says they won't make a Stage 3 tune for the LPT w/ 16T turbo upgrade. I am trying to decide of I should just swap the turbos or if I should try to run bigger Blue injectors with the current Stage 2 software. My concerns are that if I just add the turbo I could possibly run lean and do some damage to the motor. Other concern would be if the RICA Stage 2 LPT tune would be able to run the Blues and 16T safely and efficiently. Like I don't want to be running super rich at idle with the larger injectors.

Ideally I would have a custom tune that accounts for both the turbo upgrade and larger injectors. Unfortunately I am already at this point and want to make it work if possible. I can very easily weld an extra bung for an NGK WB02 sensor and monitor but I still want to know what you guys think. So if you've been in my shoes, what did you do?

I appreciate the input, looking forward to getting this all sorted out.

-NJGB

This is the car btw:

[loseR99]

Me7 is very good at maintaining lambda 1. My dad threw greens in his T5 after he got his BSR tune and the AFR'S were perfect at cold start, warm idle, and at the top end on WOT. For the most part me7 stays in closed loop until it sees 4k rpms or WOT, from what I've witnessed on the Aem wideband.

First step, get a wideband. The compressor swap is easy enough, and injectors shouldn't be a problem if you're only upgrading to blues. Should make for a fun ride.

[NJGreenBudd]

I will get the WB02 kit for monitoring the AFRS but theoretically this should work out ok? As in closed loop the ECU will compensate for the bigger injectors so I don't run rich, then dump enough fuel for the 16T when it needs to? I'm just a bit concerned because the tune if for the lower flowing orange injectors and 13G turbo, is there enough correction in there for the bigger turbo and injectors?

Thing is this is my daily driver and I don't want it to run rough or smell like gasoline all the time. I am stressed because RICA initially said they could do the 16T tune when I bought Stage one, then I got the parts and they backed out.

Thanks for the reply loseR99.
-NJGB

[loseR99]

Seriously, "T5 conversion" is one of the more popular upgrades around here. Many lpt owners have thrown in 16T's, injectors, and T5 ecu's, and been fine.

What kind of boost is your tune running? If you keep boost at a moderate level and throw in blues and the 16t it should run well. Of course a proper map would yield the best results. Who did you get your Rica tune from? What makes it "stage 2?"

[NJGreenBudd]

loseR99, on 08 December 2010 - 05:32 AM, said:

Seriously, "T5 conversion" is one of the more popular upgrades around here. Many lpt owners have thrown in 16T's, injectors, and T5 ecu's, and been fine.

What kind of boost is your tune running? If you keep boost at a moderate level and throw in blues and the 16t it should run well. Of course a proper map would yield the best results. Who did you get your Rica tune from? What makes it "stage 2?"

Well I can't just swap the ECU being an '02 as far as I know.

The tune is for 15psi. I purchased it through ViVA Performance.

They define Stages as follows:

* Stage 1: For use with a performance cat-back exhaust and air filter element upgrade
* Stage 2: Stage 1 plus a 3" performance downpipe with race-cat
* Stage 3: Stage 2 plus front-mount intercooler upgrade, turbocharger upgrade, ignition component upgrades and water/methanol injection (specific upgrades vary by model)

So really I am trying to squeeze a Stage 3 setup out of my Stage 2 tune.

Thanks,
NJGB

[loseR99]

Honestly, at 15psi I don't think the 16T will lean things out terribly, especially if you throw blues in the mix. I ran 15psi on my "stock tuned" S40 for two years before upgrading the turbo and finally tuning, and in the end the little 1.9T squeezed out 210whp and 260wtq.

ME7 since its onset has proven to be very good at safeguarding the engine. The CAN network communicates very quickly and determines if it can produce the requested torque, if it sees anything that it doesn't like, it simply just won't go. If it determines that it can't provide the requested torque based on a fault, it will store a code, or limp mode. If in the event that a fault does occur, it will take a "snapshot" of the CAN network environment at the time of the fault and anyone with VADIS and the proper communication equipment can read exactly what was happening when the fault occurred.

I know you can't simply swap ecu's being ME7. I do know a lot about them from trial and error with my father's 01' S60 T5. If it were my car, I would make sure that the wideband and gauge were in and functioning correctly on your current tune. If your RICA tune isn't delivering the fuel for your current setup that needs to be corrected first. If it does show that it can deliver the fuel when you go WOT, or really anything above 4K rpms, then I would put the blues and 16T in and let it rip.

FYI. Orange injectors 310cc Blues 395cc. Many HPT's have run 19T's on blues and whites with safe AFR's. Blues and 16T on a 15psi tune should rock on your setup.

[NJGreenBudd]

Okay that all makes great sense, I appreciate your input and feel better about going ahead with this now.

[rbodor3]

ME7 is smart enough to adjust fuel. Stock injectors flowed enough to keep AFR in the 10-11s for me when I switched to the 16T.

I went big greens on the 19t.

[boxpin]

I am running an 18T at 18psi on OEM oranges....AFRs are just fine.

[NJGreenBudd]

Okay so this is going to happen shortly here, just waiting on angle gear parts so I can refresh that while I'm swapping turbos.

Tell you what, I scored a set of Blues for $65 shipped, I have them sitting here if I need them. It's nice to know the Oranges are capable of supporting the bigger turbo. Couple questions:

What are you guys using to log AFR: which WBO2 kit, which data-logging program?

What were the duty cycles on the Oranges at 18psi?

I really do appreciate the input, I want to know what to expect here, very important that I don't make motor go boom. Anyways thanks for the help guys.

-NJGB

[NJGreenBudd]

Well it's all in and running great, kept the stock Orange injectors for right now, have to log some runs to see the AFRs. Will send them to RICA and see what they say about tweaking the maps.

Thanks,
NJGB

[MrNick]

Greetings from the Uk.

I've followed this thread and your build thread and I can say I'm impressed!

I've tried to message you but I dont know how to (only signed up to get some information from you)

I drive a 2001 S60 2.4T (FWD Geartronic) and I'm considering upgrading to the 16T T5 turbo, but I cant seem to find information for this swap except the stuff you've posted. How does the car handle the turbo without a map for the turbo? Spool/Boost quicker? and do you suffer any problems with your AFRs or any other problems since you fitted the turbo? Its just I dont want to destroy my engine by adding this turbo as I'm sure you'll agree.

The only other problem I'm having is I can get a stage 2 MTE/BSR/Rica map, but I cant find a map for our car that incorporates a turbo upgrade? How was it running on the Stage 2 map and have you sourced a Stage 3 map?

Sorry for all the questions but you've inspired me to try adding the T5 Turbo!

Keep up the good work!

[bpray9223]

MrNick, on 27 January 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Greetings from the Uk.

I've followed this thread and your build thread and I can say I'm impressed!

I've tried to message you but I dont know how to (only signed up to get some information from you)

I drive a 2001 S60 2.4T (FWD Geartronic) and I'm considering upgrading to the 16T T5 turbo, but I cant seem to find information for this swap except the stuff you've posted. How does the car handle the turbo without a map for the turbo? Spool/Boost quicker? and do you suffer any problems with your AFRs or any other problems since you fitted the turbo? Its just I dont want to destroy my engine by adding this turbo as I'm sure you'll agree.

The only other problem I'm having is I can get a stage 2 MTE/BSR/Rica map, but I cant find a map for our car that incorporates a turbo upgrade? How was it running on the Stage 2 map and have you sourced a Stage 3 map?

Sorry for all the questions but you've inspired me to try adding the T5 Turbo!

Keep up the good work!

Plenty of info here: http://forums.swedes...ghlight=16T LPT