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[Volvo5.0]

Does anyone know if the pump to windshield washer reseroir, isn't integral or built into the reservoir, or where exactly its located?

The pump is attached to the reservoir. Here is mine relocated.....

[Volvo5.0]

Only problem with re-locating the reservoir to the drivers side. You may have a charcoal canister on the drivers side that will be in the way. My S70's canister is in the rear. Maybe a smaller washer reservoir mounted somewhere else???

[Platinum 850]

I believe he did, somewhere around ~ 30% increase in flow over stock along each runner.

Here is a pick of mine installed, for "reference", but don't ask me too many questions, I didn't install it .

30% increase, thats good to know, assuming my stock head can even do anything with that...

I know you didn't install it but, where do you fill your reservoir for your windshield washer?
I can tell that your piping comes up from the same spot as the stock reservoir would be. And yours being an 850, I would be curious if you had room on the driver's side for the reservoir???

Only problem with re-locating the reservoir to the drivers side. You may have a charcoal canister on the drivers side that will be in the way. My S70's canister is in the rear. Maybe a smaller washer reservoir mounted somewhere else???

Once I saw your pics, in your previous post, I had come to to the same conclusion. I also have the horns down there, but i'll see if I can move things around, but will wait for input from Erik S or Aaron who did the install...

[SKI-R]

Updates?

[Platinum 850]

Updates?

Not a whole lot to update...

Picked up the new turbo on Wednesday, took out the 20G on Friday night. Other than that, since Im waiting on a lot of stuff in transit, I haven't really made any real progress for installing anything, yet...

I did a few shots of the new Garrett side by side with the HRC 20G...

20G:



Garrett:




A couple side by side







Here you begin to see just how drastic the difference is between the two turbines, and housing.











You can again see the difference between the compressors...



My impressions of both turbos, is, this Garrett is to the 20G, as the 20G was to the 19T...

Cant wait to see how this all comes together.

Still scratching my head about the routing of IC pipes, I did check that if I move the windshield washer reservoir its as easy pie to route the cold side...

But that only uncovers a new problem, what do i do with the reservoir, and if I move the black canister (part of the evap, I believe on the 850), where do I relocate it?

I need to get a new battery tray or hit up the JY and get one as I had modified mine pretty extensively so that I could rotate it by 90degrees from stock. But now with me possibly moving the reservoir to the driver's side, I need to rotate the battery back to stock position.

I'll figure it out, just too busy with other things at the moment and with not all the parts being here, I'm still gonna be waiting, in the mean time I'll play out a couple of scenarios in my mind or on paper, prior to making any drastic changes...

[850wagonT5]

If your 20G dyno was 328whp, you're making me think I'm probably a lot closer to 350whp or above than I expected! Looking forward to seeing her finished. You're gonna like the top end steam that turbo has!

[lookforjoe]

What are the compressor & turbine dimensions?

That wg hole looks like it will need some hogging out!

That's definitely going to be a step up!

If your 20G dyno was 328whp, you're making me think I'm probably a lot closer to 350whp or above than I expected! Looking forward to seeing her finished. You're gonna like the top end steam that turbo has!

On what basis? Are you also using TurboTuner? Gauging your hp on someone else's setup is unrealistic. Dyno yours, then you'll know what you actually have.....

[maciekb2002]

Got a quick question .What did you use for a custom Throttle cable ?
I got intake laying around too i might be time to install it.

[850wagonT5]

What are the compressor & turbine dimensions?

That wg hole looks like it will need some hogging out!

That's definitely going to be a step up!



On what basis? Are you also using TurboTuner? Gauging your hp on someone else's setup is unrealistic. Dyno yours, then you'll know what you actually have.....

It's an M24 T04E housing...my bet is 76mm major.

On the basis of running the same parts as the OP, plus a larger turbo, more boost pressure, and running on E85. Also on the basis of tuning several cars and having a knack for educated guesses based on comparisons. And, the fact I'm pulling on vehicles that are known to run (either by time slips of friends, or commonly repeated performance numbers) ET's and traps that would coincide with a certain power level. Also by using calculators based on the cars I'm able to pull on.

It's not exactly pulling a number out of my @$$. But, feel free to piss in my Cheerios if you must. All I said was, I'm probably closer than I thought to that number. Not sure what ruffled your feathers quite so much...? Haters gonna hate! lol.

Does using Turbo Tuner automatically mean more power? Nope. Sure doesn't. Looks like you're making assumptions too!

[Jardim]

You gotta remember one thing though, you get more drivetrain loss with the Aisin Warner..........

Not hating just putting that into your equation.

[850wagonT5]

You gotta remember one thing though, you get more drivetrain loss with the Aisin Warner..........

Not hating just putting that into your equation.

Yeah, no worries. I understand that. But just looking at power/weight, judging by cars it can pull on...there's a minimum amount of power it would HAVE to be producing in order to accelerate at that rate. Honestly though, I don't care too much about dyno numbers. Because in all actuality, they're estimates too. What matters to me is real world performance. Not pieces of paper.

[lookforjoe]

Does using Turbo Tuner automatically mean more power? Nope. Sure doesn't. Looks like you're making assumptions too!

No, but it would level the playing field in terms of your statement. I asked on that basis.

Being able to pull on certain cars hardly seems a concrete test. Too many variables. Sure a dyno sheet is just a piece of paper. It's also a quantifiable test of the vehicle, a baseline at the very least. 1/4 mile data obviously is also meaningful.

[850wagonT5]

No, but it would level the playing field in terms of your statement. I asked on that basis.

Being able to pull on certain cars hardly seems a concrete test. Too many variables. Sure a dyno sheet is just a piece of paper. It's also a quantifiable test of the vehicle, a baseline at the very least. 1/4 mile data obviously is also meaningful.

Too many variables? Seems to me it's about 1 more variable than being on a dyno (the only difference being a driver). Other than that...mashing the throttle from 50mph is going to produce pretty similar results if you're at the same elevation, with roughly the same equipment and similar fuel. It's not as if the exact same cars in similar running condition will go 50-100, starting in the same gear, several seconds apart from one another. It's pretty much going to be the "same" every time.

At least, MY car is about the same every time. Isn't yours? I'd be a little worried if my car went 50-80 in 5 seconds one time, then 9 seconds the next. Generally - it's the same. At least as consistent as a dyno. But a little more accurate when driving next to someone - instead of looking at someone's dyno printout at a different elevation, in different weather, with different fuel available. At least I know the guy who is actually driving next to me isn't going to differ in those variables, like some random car on the internet might.

...which again, is why I used the number above as nothing more than a rough estimate.

[mdlimy]

You may think a dyno slip is just a peice of paper but its just about the only accurate way to determin power to the wheel which is why it is used, if you really want to know your motors numbers yank it out and stick it on an engine dyno.

Now take the tampon out of your ass and quit shitting in op's thread.

/threadjack

dear god that wastegate dump is small.

[850wagonT5]

Yep...they spike like mad unless you port it as wide as you can go.

[Platinum 850]

If your 20G dyno was 328whp, you're making me think I'm probably a lot closer to 350whp or above than I expected! Looking forward to seeing her finished. You're gonna like the top end steam that turbo has!

I am not disagreeing with you, but by your own admission your engine is very tired, as you have noted in another threads...
Its fine to genarlize, but I hardly think a dyno is a generalization, for you to say you should be in the ball park of 350+whp is a prettly bold statement, given the lack of proof. and there are far and few in between that actually have 300WHP, let alone 350whp...

Just saying, not doubting what your saying but it seems you are just guessing. I know alot of people have guessed wrong.

there's no guessing with a dyno or a quarter mile run...

What are the compressor & turbine dimensions?

That wg hole looks like it will need some hogging out!

That's definitely going to be a step up!



On what basis? Are you also using TurboTuner? Gauging your hp on someone else's setup is unrealistic. Dyno yours, then you'll know what you actually have.....

I have no idea, and I don't have a caliper handy to take proper measurements. I know its a 60trim that has been reworked...
The wasgate hole appears to be about 0.75" and I will want to open that up to 1" minimal but will wait till i get my adapter that enables me to run an internal wastegate, and see what size the flapper is that mates against the port. they claim it to be 1-1/8" but will wait an see before I start boring it out...

Got a quick question .What did you use for a custom Throttle cable ?
I got intake laying around too i might be time to install it.

The throttle cable came as part of the kit for the intake, I will take a picture of the packaging and update the thread...
If I remember it appears to be a generic stainless steel manufactured specifically for a Honda/ Acura Application, but will get the numbers off the packaging or a picture of it all...

[850wagonT5]

I am not disagreeing with you, but by your own admission your engine is very tired, as you have noted in another threads...
Its fine to genarlize, but I hardly think a dyno is a generalization, for you to say you should be in the ball park of 350+whp is a prettly bold statement, given the lack of proof. and there are far and few in between that actually have 300WHP, let alone 350whp...

Just saying, not doubting what your saying but it seems you are just guessing. I know alot of people have guessed wrong.

there's no guessing with a dyno or a quarter mile run...

True. The main guy I base my judgement on (because we ran so many times) is neck and neck with a C6 Corvette w/ exhaust (have vids but can't post in SR thread). And I can walk said buddy's car (again, have vids but can't post in SR thread). So, those are what...436hp and 3250 lbs, thereabouts? Anyway, I keep saying...ballpark, guesstimate, etc. Here, I'll make you guys happy. I think I'm making somewhere above my 15G/gasoline dyno of 24Xwhp. Better? I'll just wait for the new dyno, since walking a car that runs w/ C6's from a roll doesn't indicate any ballpark power level or top end capability.

[Platinum 850]

Got a quick question .What did you use for a custom Throttle cable ?
I got intake laying around too i might be time to install it.

As promised...

Lokar Motorsports
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48" Honda/ Acura Throttle Cable Polished

[maciekb2002]

Thanks for that info I will be helpful in the close future

[Platinum 850]

So some more slight updates...

When I ran the 20G, I ran coolant lines that were nothing more than a banjo to a barb fitting, and then slid on coolant hose (rubber). When I took the 20G out last week. There were no coolant leaks but it was scary how brittle the lines had become...











You can see from the pics above how cracked up this line was, and this one was in the best shape. the other hose right off of the turbo was taken out in multiple pieces.

The solution, have lines that are custom made for the application. And since I had upgraded my oil pan and and water pipe off a newer car (2000), my connections off the water pipe use to be the push in type, and the shop that had installed the water pipe and oil pan didn't have the common sense to install a water pipe that had common barb 3/8" (male fittings), from the later models or that of the original 850, and they didnt have the common sense to weld on a reducer or adapt the fitting to a standard type connection... So I was always left with a way to adapt a 3/8" line to fit onto this wonky fitting. I eventually adapted the lines so that a standar 5/8" hose would be clamped on the outside of the hose...

The Garrett Turbo utilizes 16mm banjo fittings and I needed the hose to come out to a 5/8" male barb, so I could simply use 5/8" section of hose to connec the two...







I had two hoses custom made, one for the coolant intake and one for the coolant return. The one pictured above is for the coolant return. Its the shorter of the two...


The pic below depicts my choices for 5/8" hose:
- Standard rubber
- Silicone
- Heavy duty

You can also see a bit of the longer hose (cooant feed to turbo).




Then I turned my attention to other matters...

Windshield Washer Reservoir out...



Got the charcoal canister removed and reworked the plumbing...

Drilled a hole for the reservoir, to where its to be relocated, I'm pretty sure I missed my target, but will have to opent it up a bit wider anyways to ensure all other connections are made.





Also while all of that was going on, I was waiting for this to dry.




The fumes got pretty intnense, which cut the night shorter than I would have liked and also was a huge contributing factor in me cutting the whole above in a slightly incorrect spot.

It looks pretty shiny here because its still wet. This morning it looked like a barbecue, it is a hight temp paint. I think I may go over it with a semi-gloss black, because the matte black just isnt doing it for me.