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[volvotool]

Is this a joke? Obama was born in Hawaii. Period, end of discussion.

Anyone who's tempted to put a "yeah, but" on that sentence is welcome to put down a deposit on Ted Kacyynski's cabin, if you're not already living there.

[Burn-E]

volvotool, on 17 May 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

Is this a joke? Obama was born in Hawaii. Period, end of discussion.

Anyone who's tempted to put a "yeah, but" on that sentence is welcome to put down a deposit on Ted Kacyynski's cabin, if you're not already living there.

Actually, it's not the end of discussion if that's your basis for argument - that he was born in Hawai'i. One could question whether Hawai'i was ever legally integrated into the United States as a State. In other words, was the plebiscite in 1959 a legal procedure? Or did it violate the sovereignty of the native Hawai'ians? One could claim that the statehood vote, both in terms of the questions asked and the people who were allowed to vote, was in no way a valid act of self-determination, and did not legitimize the occupation. Many non-tinfoil hat wearing lawyers have concluded that Hawai'i has never legally been a State of the United States.

Try again.

I think the whole Obama isn't a citizen discussion is ridiculous but there's no question he is simply because his mother was a US citizen first and foremost.

Besides, you never answered the poll questions.

[volvotool]

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One could question whether Hawai'i was ever legally integrated into the United States as a State.

"One could" but there's no end to that argument. Sh*t happens.  You live your life in isolation, then one day some mean, ugly people show up with superior weapons and your way of life is over. It's Istanbul, not Constantinople now.

Yes, Obama was born to an American mother IN an American state. End of that discussion.

[Burn-E]

volvotool, on 17 May 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

It's Istanbul, not Constantinople now.

They Might Be Giants FTW!

[Dan A]

I like how some of you answered No to #1 and Yes to #2.