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[Che'_Moderator]

There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory".

[Chilled Man]

Hate what the person does not the person themselves.

[64pvolvo1800]

Che, on 02 May 2011 - 02:50 PM, said:

There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory".

Well stated and excellent point. The raving and celebrating turns us into them.

[flyfishing3]

Che, on 02 May 2011 - 02:50 PM, said:

There are threads on this popping up everywhere. I am seeing your comments on Volvospeed/30Forty50/V70R, other sites, Facebook and in private messages. What I think you all need to remember is to not celebrate the death of a man, but celebrate the end of fear and torment he has caused countless people. At the end of the day its not the man we hate, but his actions. Do not let his actions turn us into the very thing we hate. America already has strong devision lines dawn. Let us not deepen those by confusing what we are celebrating. I believe it was Tim Collins who said, "But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory".

said like a true hippy.

[Pops Racer]

flyfishing3, on 02 May 2011 - 04:38 PM, said:

said like a true hippy.

At first I thought his head should be on a pike ( Vlad the Impaler style) at ground zero.

Then I heard they gave him a proper Muslim burial at sea and was a bit outraged at that. But then I thought it was cool cuz then they cant build a shrine to the POS.

Then I realized we helped bread his mentality. Then I thought it must have been strange to be the SEAL that pulled the trigger. Then I was glad he was dead and not caught alive, to have a platform here, and stir more hatred.

Then I realized he wasn't important and a cowardly person. And that it wouldnt matter one lick that he was dead, they will carry on anyway with their 7th century barbarism.

Then I was pissed that Hope and Change got credit for pushing the go button, when he opposed the hole thing to begin with.

Then I felt sad that an American kid is gonna be scarred for life cuz he's gonna have to shoot a boatload of those animals.

I don't hate, I'm too pragmatic.

But it felt good to watch and thought it justified, the crowds cheering at ball parks, in Manhattan, in DC, cheering and jumping around like...

the Muslims did around the world on 9/11, when the Towers came down. Are we like them now? When can we stop killing them? When will they stop hating us? Probably never. That saddens me.

[Che'_Moderator]

Pops Racer, on 03 May 2011 - 02:26 AM, said:

the Muslims did around the world on 9/11, when the Towers came down. Are we like them now? When can we stop killing them? When will they stop hating us? Probably never. That saddens me.

It makes us exactly like them. I am glad he is burried at sea and recieved the correct last rites. What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it.

[Pops Racer]

Che, on 03 May 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

It makes us exactly like them. I am glad he is burried at sea and recieved the correct last rites. What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it.

Because no one wanted his carcass. Could you imagine the security issues with an annual pilgrimage to his shrine?

I kinda of disagree with you. These fanatics claim God as their motive. We claim peace and 'democracy'.

By the way, what happened to you? Normally I would expect you would be bullish on this op, and disappointed they didn't turn the whole region into a pile of glass.

I am being restrained and pensive myself. I have enough trouble reigning in emotions. I'm all about killing 'em all and letting Allah sort it out.

My wife lost a good friend on the 102 floor, and one of my best friends was on a ferry heading to the WTC from Jersey City, he was late and missed the earlier boat. He lost many of his co workers, changed him forever. I was working in Westchester county, I could see plumes of smoke, and 5-6 guys on the job were rushing to get to their volunteer fire houses in the area. I heard scanner reports first hand. Chilling.

How many soldiers are we going to sacrifice? They wont quit, and dont care about a time line. If it takes 1000 years, they will eventually own us. They are willing to die, give up their children and husbands for Allah. Are we that committed? All it takes is a community, like in Michigan or Virginia, to elect a town councilman, then a congress man or a senator, appoint a judge,then ...Sharia.

Dismal.

[Che'_Moderator]

And the klan will not be happy until the whole world is white. Every group has its radicals. I lost several friends that day, but I also made several friends from over there. The media is the only one who wins from any of this. I agree that a lot of people walking this world need to die, and I am/was more than happy to do it. That does not mean I am going to celebrate the actual act of taking a life though. When it becomes easy and revenge feels like justice, thats when we have become "them".

[Zappo]

Che, on 03 May 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

What I am not sure about is why we did it instead of handing him over to a muslim country to do it.

Because he needed to be buried within 24 hours of death and it couldn't be arranged for a country to take him within that time.

[PyROTech]

[Pops Racer]

OK, why the -1 ? Not that I give a shit, give me -100. Just dont troll, and not comment on what I said that pissed you off or what you find offensive in your little world.

I speak reality, not fantasy.

I revel in no mans death. I wish it was all ponies and clowns, but its not. I find revenge cheap and undignified, but like Chuck says, its easy to cross the line and lose your moral hi ground.

We didn't volunteer to wear the uniform to kill. We did it to defend and uphold the Constitution. And some of us enjoy shooting tank cannons at old mail trucks...but I enlisted in 1980, right after Carter fucked up Iran, and Reagan was elected. It was a patriotic move by me. With a free education thrown in. Ive never pointed a weapon at a human, and I'm sure it would be difficult to pull the trigger, but its someones job to do that, and that's what training is all about.

I say again, its sad a kid has to drop these guys when called upon. But they are asking for it by not living within the boundaries of a civil society.

I could go on about philosophy, mindset, and duty, but I wont.

[laird]

I wonder how Marcus Luttrell feels today. Read the book, Lone Survivor, to get a glimpse of what the military have been dealing with.
It is no small satisfaction to know that we can finally do what needs to be done from time to time.

[Che'_Moderator]

Zappo, on 03 May 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Because he needed to be buried within 24 hours of death and it couldn't be arranged for a country to take him within that time.

A week was not enough time? The reasons had nothing to do with sunset....

[Zappo]

Che, on 03 May 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

A week was not enough time? The reasons had nothing to do with sunset....

24 hours is a Muslim rule apparently, not something they made up.

[Che'_Moderator]

Zappo, on 03 May 2011 - 11:49 PM, said:

24 hours is a Muslim rule apparently, not something they made up.

A week was not enough time?

[Zappo]

Che, on 03 May 2011 - 11:53 PM, said:

A week was not enough time?

God wants the body in the ground!

CSI Bagdad doesn't solve very many cases.

[PyROTech]

it doesnt matter what the religious rules are, he is going somewhere that people dont know about. Stop assuming some religious observance was the reason. Great if it happens to be after the fact.

[czar]

Che, on 03 May 2011 - 02:52 AM, said:

It makes us exactly like them. I am glad he is buried at sea and received the correct last rites.

uh...we will never be like them.

The war continues because they attacked us first. They have been attacking "infidels" since the 7th century. And they will continue...nothing is going to deter them from exterminating non-believers. That is their way...that is who they are...they are barbarians.

UBL was killed because we were defending ourselves from the likes of him. thousands have died at the hands of these animals...(such as Daniel Pearl)...what did he do to deserve being beheaded?...what has our military done to deserve having their dead bodies dragged through the streets?...hung from poles to be eaten by birds?
The fact you have one iota of compassion for this animal bothers me.

We will never be like them!

He is d-e-a-d dead and I am glad he is dead. But I don't celebrate his death. I celebrate the fact that we accomplished a mission that was begun 10 years ago.
But unfortunately the war continues. Not because we must "kill" them and somehow, have "revenge". But because they are still trying to kill us! And they will not stop.
They take away freedom...we preserve freedom.
They sow death...we sow life.
They foment terror....we strive for safety and security
They have no compassion...we willingly lay down our lives to save the life of another.....

Oh, no my friend...we will never be like them!

Long live freedom! Long live the US of A!.
God Bless the free-est nation on the face of the planet!
And may God Bless our military heroes and their families!

[Che'_Moderator]

czar, on 06 May 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

UBL was killed because we were defending ourselves from the likes of him. thousands have died at the hands of these animals...(such as Daniel Pearl)...what did he do to deserve being beheaded?.

Im gonna field this one as its easiest. WTF was he doing in Pakistan? He didnt deserve it, but he had zero business there. We can argue military forces all day long, but this dude brough it on himself.

[revolvolution09]

Well one less hajji we gotta kill now. Rest of bin ladens fuks better hide now cause we gonna find you.