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[dublin14]

Fuk'd up the second part of the title..please ignore!


I just ordered a Devils Own Meth kit and Im just wondering if I should use the 5 or the 7gph nozzle for my setup seems it will be 400+hp. Im assuming 7 will do?

The main reason for getting this kit is after seeing the difference in how all cars behave after this kit or similar when going bigger on Turbos. I have researched this on just about every forum out there for quite a while plus tuner Magazine tests. The biggest thing is..... everyone thats used the kit says how they have NO more timing pull! Thats going to be a big help with my tuning. Most add more timing and more boost. Not to mention how they all say the cars pulls so much nicer with the meth, and the simple fact that the meth keeps the engine clean.

Its been around for a long time since the WW2 and is really starting to gain in the tuning world more than ever. Its no doubt a win win with WMI to protect my engine. And of course the cooling and the HP increase is also a plus.
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Some facts.

DevilsOwn's Benefits Include:

• Increase horsepower safely by 10-15%.
• Lower air temperatures by 50-200+ degrees.
• Decrease cylinder temperatures up to 300 degrees.
• Reduce the effects of heat soak in warmer climates.
• Allows you to safely run more boost and timing.
• Reduces carbon and helps maintain a clean combustion chamber.
• Increases octane at user programmable boost levels.

The main function of water methanol injection is preventing detonation. Detonation is caused by high temperatures and pressure developed in the combustion chamber. Water has a high latent heat content, which makes it extremely effective at preventing the onset of detonation. Water injection also reduces the production of NOx (oxides of nitrogen). Methanol, with its 116 octane and high flash point, further reduces the chances of detonation. While water is not combustible, it has a greater capacity to cool the intake air temps more than methanol alone. This is why we recommend a 50/50 mixture being misted into your boosted engine. Methanol also effectively increases the octane rating of the fuel, allowing performance gains when used in supercharged and turbocharged applications.

Edited by dublin14, 14 May 2011 - 03:29 PM.

[AverageVolvo]

The injector nozzle sizing calculator is also on their website http://www.alcohol-i...ulator-351.html

You will definitely love meth/water injection. IIMO>Just don't get greedy if your gonna mess with Ignition/timing for Hp gains.. Instead mainly use it as a safeguard and octane boost to reduce timing pull. and you will be loving turbo life.

HOW big of a tank did you get.? I can use 3/4 gallon in a 16mi Wot canyon run at 21 psi.

Did you get a progressive controller or boost pressure switch?

[dublin14]

AverageVolvo, on 07 May 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

The injector nozzle sizing calculator is also on their website http://www.alcohol-i...ulator-351.html

You will definitely love meth/water injection. IIMO>Just don't get greedy if your gonna mess with Ignition/timing for Hp gains.. Instead mainly use it as a safeguard and octane boost to reduce timing pull. and you will be loving turbo life.

HOW big of a tank did you get.? I can use 3/4 gallon in a 16mi Wot canyon run at 21 psi.

Did you get a progressive controller or boost pressure switch?

How did I miss that? I bought the stage 1 and using the windsheild washer fluid res for now and see how that goes.

Safe guard and timing pull is the most important over the HP increase for sure.

Edited by dublin14, 07 May 2011 - 03:17 PM.

[854TGA+]

I went with the progressive kit & large trunk mount tank.





I will complete the installation once my new intake / inter-cooler piping / custom exhaust manifold / cold air intake are fitted

[Account_Deleted_T5M]

They're also tuned for meth, a without a tune for meth won't gain much.. My buddys evo 10 with just a test pipe and tune for meth made 56whp more

[dublin14]

Coral_t5m, on 07 May 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

They're also tuned for meth, a without a tune for meth won't gain much.. My buddys evo 10 with just a test pipe and tune for meth made 56whp more

For sure! anyone that doesnt tune after meth is sort of wasting money and not getting all the benefits.

Edited by dublin14, 13 May 2011 - 06:25 PM.

[dublin14]

Very few on here using meth injection it seems

[lookforjoe]

Mine is part Aquamist, part home made ( ). I made a progressive relay that uses the injector pulse to govern flow, 7mm Aquamist nozzle.

I haven't actually tried running it in any meaningful way in the last 2 years or so since I put it together! Every time I get my basic tune sorted out, I've then changed hardware again. Until I get the current TT/COP basic tune sorted, I'm not bothering, again because I see it as being a safeguard, not as a means of running more timing than tuned for w/o. Maybe when I get the motor back together, I'll do a couple of data logs w/the meth injection, just to see what I get in terms of timing changes.

[the commissar!]

I'm hoping to finish getting mine installed this summer...DO progressive...just sitting on shelf collecting dust

[Volvo5.0]

I just finished installing the Devilsown progressive kit. I used the existing washer fluid reservoir. Here are 2 logs about 10 minutes apart. The data speaks for itself. Definitely worth doing....






This is right out of the box also. The benefits may even be better once I get it dialed in

[lookforjoe]

Volvo5.0, on 13 May 2011 - 02:27 AM, said:

I just finished installing the Devilsown progressive kit. I used the existing washer fluid reservoir. Here are 2 logs about 10 minutes apart. The data speaks for itself. Definitely worth doing....

What size nozzle did you use? What does the kit provide to maintain a progressive delivery? Does it use injector pulse?

[Volvo5.0]

lookforjoe, on 13 May 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:

What size nozzle did you use? What does the kit provide to maintain a progressive delivery? Does it use injector pulse?

The nozzle supplied was a #3. According to there nozzle calculator I think I should be using the next size up. The pump pressure can be raised, so I could get a little more flow with the nozzle I have. The controller uses boost to activate the pump. Two knobs on the controller are adjustable for starting the pump and for max flow. I set it at 6psi to start the injection and 15 psi for max. flow. I'll play around with these settings also.

[lookforjoe]

Volvo5.0, on 13 May 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

The nozzle supplied was a #3. According to there nozzle calculator I think I should be using the next size up. The pump pressure can be raised, so I could get a little more flow with the nozzle I have. The controller uses boost to activate the pump. Two knobs on the controller are adjustable for starting the pump and for max flow. I set it at 6psi to start the injection and 15 psi for max. flow. I'll play around with these settings also.

Posted in your build thread. I like that setup better than the injector pulse feed mine uses.

[gilber33]

What exactly is 'timing pull'? Like, how does it happen and what causes it? I tried googling and all I could find was people having problems with it, but not really saying what exactly it is and what causes it. And then how does meth injection help with it? Just trying to understand it better, any tips would be appreciated.

And when you mention that you won't benefit as much from it if the car isn't tuned for it, will you still benefit from it, or no? I would really like to add this to my car someday, but I don't want to send out my ECU for a reflash yet. I mean, looking at those graphs it's obvious that meth injection makes a huge impact and is definitely worth doing.

Thanks.

Edited by gilber33, 13 May 2011 - 05:55 PM.

[washdup]

Volvo5.0, on 13 May 2011 - 02:27 AM, said:

Here are 2 logs about 10 minutes apart. The data speaks for itself. Definitely worth doing....

Point made. What is the temperature reading from in those logs?

gilber33, on 13 May 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

What exactly is 'timing pull'? Like, how does it happen and what causes it?

The engine management software retards the timing when it detects conditions that could potentially cause damage to the engine.

[Volvo5.0]

washdup, on 14 May 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

What is the temperature reading from in those logs?

I installed an intake air temp sensor from a S40 in the intercooler pipe just before the t-body.

[washdup]

This may be dumb, but how does WI/MI lower temps at the intake, when the injection takes place later in the induction process, in the combustion chamber?

[lookforjoe]

washdup, on 15 May 2011 - 01:05 PM, said:

This may be dumb, but how does WI/MI lower temps at the intake, when the injection takes place later in the induction process, in the combustion chamber?

The water is injected into the intake pipe, so it is lowering the charged air temp before mixing with the fuel delivery at the end of the intake runner.

[washdup]

Thanks. 10-20* reduction. Nice.

[Volvo5.0]

washdup, on 15 May 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:

Thanks. 10-20* reduction. Nice.

Right out of the box I think it's a good start, but I'm hoping for more of a temp reduction and less timing pull. There are different size nozzles available, and the pump pressure is also adjustable. So once I get it dialed in we'll see....