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#1 pcguru000

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 12:57 AM

Just been diving into some research recently (some of you know I've been having trouble with inspection in PA..)

Although my windows are not tinted it has been considered as it would look nice with the nautic blue... I would be getting this done professionally... I figured id check it out on the pa dmv site, sure enough (and please let me know if I am reading this incorrectly) it looks like 30% tint is accetable on all 1998+ vehicles.

http://www.dmv.state...eets/fs-sun.pdf


Found here (see: sun screening exemption program) - http://www.dmv.state...t_faq.shtml#Q08

http://www.dmv.state...orms/mv-402.pdf

I am bit confused as to how this works- looks like you can get the exemption by just filling out that form... does this let you go beyond the normal legal amount of tint? Or is the 70% around apply as a base and you need the exemption if you go beyond that...

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 12:26 PM

legal limit is 70%
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you need to let in 70% light, not

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 02:35 PM

Obviously, that is what i was saying -


View Postpcguru000, on 19 November 2011 - 12:57 AM, said:

it looks like 30% tint is acceptable on all 1998+ vehicles.

What I am trying to figure is if you need to be apart of the "exemption" program to even get 30%.... or does the exemption program allow you to have MORE than 30%...
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

Sedan or wagon/SUV?
Wagons and SUVs can have the rear side glass and the rear doors as dark as you want it, as for the front sides, 50% will slide
I run 35% all around, (no one bothers old people), and I rarely drive at night anymore and no one ever says anything during state inspection

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:40 PM

View PostJRL, on 20 November 2011 - 01:14 PM, said:

Sedan or wagon/SUV?
Wagons and SUVs can have the rear side glass and the rear doors as dark as you want it, as for the front sides, 50% will slide
I run 35% all around, (no one bothers old people), and I rarely drive at night anymore and no one ever says anything during state inspection
Did you get it done at a shop? Any suggestions as to where i should go?
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:57 PM

35% will get you a ticket in PA, ask me how i know. :glare: :glare: :(

my shop did it no problem. i had to sign off that i knew i was putting an illegal darkness on is all.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:40 PM

View Postflyfishing3, on 21 November 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

35% will get you a ticket in PA, ask me how i know. :glare: :glare: :(

my shop did it no problem. i had to sign off that i knew i was putting an illegal darkness on is all.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:33 PM

still have it on also.

i told the cop i'd take it off in front of him. he said no dice. so i got my 100 dollar ticket and 3 years later, still have it on lol

if i get another ticket in a year or two. still worth it.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:30 PM

View Postflyfishing3, on 21 November 2011 - 05:33 PM, said:

still have it on also.

i told the cop i'd take it off in front of him. he said no dice. so i got my 100 dollar ticket and 3 years later, still have it on lol

if i get another ticket in a year or two. still worth it.

Its like speeding tickets = high performance tax.... gotta pay it once in a while :>

But I will probably look into 30% keep records with me so when the cop gives me crap i can just show him paper work...

100 dollar ticket and they don't make you take it off? I know if you get pulled over without inspection you get 15 days to get it done...- nothing like that? Just the $$$ lol...
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:33 PM

it was a statey so he was off to bigger and better things. just put the check in the mail and kept on rolling.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 09:31 PM

Getting 5% in the rear and 20% on the front two windows on the v70 t5m right now. registered in PA too.

Not bragging or anythning but inspection stations are a dime a dozen here and ........i get my stickers no problem :P

some places in the boonies are more strict dont know why...might be a power trip thing.

also getting a tint strip on the windshield too....who the hell pulls over volvos anyways?
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 12:16 AM

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....who the hell pulls over volvos anyways?

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 12:28 AM

v70 t5m looks soooooo pretty with the tints,

what happens to me alot is i get pulled over going home at night and get a warning...i play dumb and say sorry, this forces me to remove the fronts when i get home. i stop by the po po office on the way to work it inspected by the po po. warning gets noted and dismissed......re- tint it again that same day, then i take a different route home for the next few weeks LOL

having 20 rolls of tint in stock is priceless hahahaha
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 12:43 AM

I haven't been pulled over once for tints in the 4 states I regularly visit on a monthly basis.

If I get pulled over tomorrow I wouldn't care considering the sheer number of miles I've done with the 20% all around.
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 01:00 AM

ridin dirty will be 5% tints over factory 20% on my xc90 and 5% fronts and 5% tint band....
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:48 AM

I'm a cop in PA and have gone through the vehicle inspection enforcement course. Here's how window tint laws work in Pennsylvania. there is so much inaccurate information out there so lets clear this up. You CANNOT have ANY aftermarket tinting AT ALL on a car. However where the rule is weird is If it came from the factory allowing in 70% light it is legal. They can fail you for windshield tint extending beyond the AS1 line however it is not a failing point on the rest of the windows however it is enforceable (makes no sense). SUVs Cannot have tint on the front windows but can be "limo" tinted on the rears. It all makes no sense i know. I don't screw with window tint unless you are a dick or its a safety hazard. Police in some areas carry the good ole tint meeter but I never did. Its really at the discretion of the individual officer. But those are the rules. After market tint is COMPLETELY illegal, however..... odds are unless i cant see into your car with a flashlight or you run into a real ball buster you should be alright.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:35 AM

I live in pa. I knew i would eventually get pulled over. I had 20% on both sides and no tint on the back window because i was lazy and kept saying i would do the back when i had some time. I got pulled over driving home from work where I380 and I84 meet, by a statey. He let me go and said i should take it off or next time i'll get a $109 fine. He probably would've given me the ticket but he sped off and i saw him a half mile later with another cop who was searching a car that was pulled over. I did take off the front tint. I have 17% on all my windows on my other car and i haven't been bothered yet though, just a matter of time.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:30 PM

View PostVolvoRacer850R, on 22 November 2011 - 02:48 AM, said:

I'm a cop in PA and have gone through the vehicle inspection enforcement course. Here's how window tint laws work in Pennsylvania. there is so much inaccurate information out there so lets clear this up. You CANNOT have ANY aftermarket tinting AT ALL on a car. However where the rule is weird is If it came from the factory allowing in 70% light it is legal. They can fail you for windshield tint extending beyond the AS1 line however it is not a failing point on the rest of the windows however it is enforceable (makes no sense). SUVs Cannot have tint on the front windows but can be "limo" tinted on the rears. It all makes no sense i know. I don't screw with window tint unless you are a dick or its a safety hazard. Police in some areas carry the good ole tint meeter but I never did. Its really at the discretion of the individual officer. But those are the rules. After market tint is COMPLETELY illegal, however..... odds are unless i cant see into your car with a flashlight or you run into a real ball buster you should be alright.


Did you read this pdf?

http://www.dmv.state...eets/fs-sun.pdf

No disrespect whatsoever- just trying to understand why the DMV's website has a document that basically states "30% tint or lighter" is okay. Yet I've been told by you, another officer, and also a tint shop that any after-market tint is illegal...however i have not found any documentation from the state specifically stating that.

Also, i checked with a few shops in the area and they DO concur what the state document says- you CANNOT be failed for an inspection for window tint REGARDLESS of its opacity...granted I am sure a mechanic wouldn't pass 1% tint :)

You are correct "there is so much inaccurate information out there " ... the only true proof i have of it being legal is this document from the DMV... it makes no sense, why would the law enforcement be trained on rules that differ from what the DMV offers the public. :(
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:05 AM

Alright so ive just figured out why I am so confused bout this. Its really stupid of me, for some reason i thought tint was measured in the opposite way the law states- like 30% tint = 30% "light blocking"- thus 30% = 70% "light passing through" -- not sure why the hell my brain did this to me but its really really obnoxious.

Regardless, ive got 35% tint on the sides, they are planning to do the rear window tomorrow as well- I am considering that I may not have them do that and just let it be the sides... not sure if that is stupid or not but figure it may aid me when the cop does eventually have an issue with this.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-- One thing I am looking into futher though is the exemption program- http://www.dmv.state...orms/mv-402.pdf not sure if this allows me to be outside of the limit easily or not.... i really just want the car to look nice, stay cooler, and be legal.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:52 PM

Can't seem to get away from this, called the dmv office today, woman told me something like this " the federal government makes all cars with 70% tint (70% light passing through the window) - thats the base" Then she says in PA the law is that all windows must be 70%.

She also explained to me that the expemtions are for medical reasons ONLY and for COLORLESS uv blocking materials ONLY (this is all very vauge in the documents ive read).

I'm no lawyer but reading this I can't comprehend how it could be interpreted any other way, note the italicized stuff is "sort of" irrelevant.

PA Vehicle Code Title 75:
http://www.dmv.state...e/chapter45.pdf
Sun screening and other materials prohibited.--
(1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any sun
screening device or other material which does not permit a
person to see or view the inside of the vehicle through the
windshield, side wing or side window of the vehicle.
(2) This subsection does not apply to:
(i) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted windows
of the type and specification that were installed by the
manufacturer of the vehicle or to any hearse, ambulance,
government vehicle or any other vehicle for which a
currently valid certificate of exemption has been issued
in accordance with regulations adopted by the department.
(ii) A vehicle which is equipped with tinted
windows, sun screening devices or other materials which
comply with all applicable Federal regulations and for
which a currently valid certificate of exemption for
medical reasons has been issued in accordance with
regulations adopted by the department.
(3) A certificate of exemption shall be issued by the
department for a vehicle which is:
(i) Registered in this Commonwealth on the effective
date of this subsection and is equipped with a sun
screening device or other material prohibited under
paragraph (1) on the effective date.
(ii) Equipped with tinted windows, sun screening
devices or other materials for a physical condition that
makes it necessary to equip the motor vehicle with sun
screening material which would be of a light
transmittance or luminous reflectance in violation of
this section.
(A) A certificate of exemption for medical
reasons shall be issued only if the owner or
registrant of the vehicle, or a person residing in
the household of the owner or registrant who
regularly drives or is driven in the vehicle, suffers
from a physical condition determined by the
department, in consultation with the Medical Advisory
Board, to justify the exemption.
( B) Any person requesting an exemption for
medical reasons shall have his physical condition
certified to the department by a licensed physician
or optometrist.
(4) A certificate of exemption issued under this
subsection shall be carried in the vehicle and displayed on
request of a police officer.
(5) Upon the sale or transfer of the vehicle to any
person who does not qualify under paragraph (2)(ii), the
exemption shall be null and void. Prior to the sale or
transfer of an exempt vehicle, it shall be the sole
responsibility of the owner or seller of a formerly exempt
vehicle to remove all sun screening or other materials from
the vehicle. At the time of the sale or transfer of a
formerly exempt vehicle, the owner shall remove and destroy
the certificate of exemption for physical reasons and provide
the purchaser with a notarized statement setting forth the
name and address of the owner or seller, the vehicle
identification number, year and model, and the business
entity and process used to remove the sun screening or other
material.
(f) Exception.--This section does not apply to mobile video
recording equipment installed in a vehicle exclusively used for
official police purposes.
(Feb. 15, 1980, P.L.12, No.8, eff. imd.; Dec. 8, 1982, P.L.842,
No.234, eff. Apr. 1, 1983; July 10, 1984, P.L.679, No.146, eff.
60 days; Nov. 21, 1990, P.L.556, No.137, eff. 180 days; June 22,
2001, P.L.559, No.37, eff. 60 days; June 11, 2002, P.L.370,
No.53, eff. imd.)

-- So this is the PA Vehicle law- it says NOTHING about specific tint regulations. It simply states that a person must be able to see through to glass.
So this could be interpreted multiple ways, as I see it, if 70% tint is allowed then 30% should be too- BOTH allow you to see through it. In fact, in accordance with this law, 1% tint would be the legal limit... as you could still theoretically see through it. (Not that this should be allowed lol) again it states

My next realization was that there is a different set of rules here that aid to the confusion.


Ironically (as mentioned in previous posts) state inspection stations CANNOT fail a car for tint AT ALL unless it is on the windshield (also from the discussion with the lady from the state)
However this document is for the state vehicle inspections for passenger cars/light trucks, which is :
http://www.dmv.state...5/section_e.pdf

if you search for "sun screen" the first result:

175.67. GLAZING. -> (d) Obstructions ->

A sun screening device or other material
which does not permit a person to see or
view the inside of the vehicle is prohibited,
unless otherwise permitted by
FMVSS No. 205, or a certificate of
exemption has been issued in compliance
with §175.265 (relating to
exemption provisions) . See Table X for
specific requirements for vehicles
subject to this subchapter. Passenger
car requirements relating to the rear
window are delineated by vehicle model
year in Table X.

So I've been trying to hunt down this federal guideline, I've found this:
http://edocket.acces...9cfr571.205.pdf
But I would like an official government source for it.

I will get to the bottom of this. I am sick of the state having a bunch of bullshit laws, passing them as VAGUE as possible and letting the law enforcement screw us by interpreting it as they wish... If the law book (title 75) said no tint beyond 30% (as many states do this, just a specific number in the law book, done.) then fine. But it does not, cops are privileged to cite us and convict us as they please with laws THEY literally make up.

Currently it almost looks as if that "table x" contradicts the actual law... and no where have i found the "table x" as being an actual law, it has been mentioned on a few sites to simply be yet another interpretation.

Sorry for my rants... just get wired on this... perhaps should of been a lawyer...

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