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[Che'_Moderator]

This is good stuff. Not only are they suing, they are also using tsunami money for hippie protection. Just wondering why no one protests the Eskimos?

http://blogs.discove...l#mkcpgn=fbapl6

[theForgottenone]

eskimos is the way of life for survival. Japan whaling program is more to satisfy the delicacy demand from their population.

[Che'_Moderator]

theForgottenone, on 09 December 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

eskimos is the way of life for survival. Japan whaling program is more to satisfy the delicacy demand from their population.

Japan was eating whale 600 years before their even as a United States. It is very much apart of the culture. That aside, they are not breaking any laws.

[theForgottenone]

Che, on 09 December 2011 - 08:07 PM, said:

Japan was eating whale 600 years before their even as a United States. It is very much apart of the culture. That aside, they are not breaking any laws.

In current state? Do it warrant the need for whaling program? Probably not. Eskimos, what other food can they get. Their location limit their hunting ability for food source. Not so much for Japan.

[Che'_Moderator]

theForgottenone, on 09 December 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

In current state? Do it warrant the need for whaling program? Probably not. Eskimos, what other food can they get. Their location limit their hunting ability for food source. Not so much for Japan.

So India should role on over and kill us for eating cows? I mean there are other things to eat? Again, use the millions you raise and petition the IWC.

[Burn-E]

The Inuit have significant protections and privileges provided to them in Canada. My wife who grew up in British Columbia tells me they sell salmon and whale meat at roadside stands and stores. They primarily hunt the bowhead but I understand they're pursuing privileges to hunt the gray whale too. I understand the same privileges are extended to the Alaskan Inuit also but in both cases there are limits on the catch each year.

I suspect people don't protest the Inuit quite as visibly because they're not a big economic power but instead a repressed minority. I love watching Whale Wars though - those guys are craaaaazy.

[Che'_Moderator]

Oh I love the show. Politics aside, they are some of the dumbest people I have ever seen. No common sense between them all. BTW whale is not a delicacy. Up until very recently it was about 1/3 the cost of beef. It was commonly referred to as farmer food much like soba noodles.

[Burn-E]

Che, on 09 December 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

BTW whale is not a delicacy. Up until very recently it was about 1/3 the cost of beef. It was commonly referred to as farmer food much like soba noodles.

And lobster. On that note: Homarus Americanus, alternatively known as the New England, Maine, or Atlantic lobster, once thrived in such profundity on Cape Cod that the colonists actually used them, not as food, but as fertilizer for their crops or as bait for their fish hooks. As sustenance, lobster was little more than “poverty food,” fit only for feeding indentured servants, slaves, children or cows, in that order. In Massachusetts, the servants did finally rebel and won an amendment to their contracts- No longer would they be forced to eat lobster more than three times a week.

[theForgottenone]

Well, I didn't know the cost of the whale is that low. It's not like I support the Sea Shepards but I just don't like the idea of Japan commercial whale hunting. cows is different b/c they're domesticated cattle human use for food consumption. Whale can be endanger species if they keep it up.

It's like the Chinese still eat shark fin soup (I know I did it before) but it's not realistically a viable way for food source (or should be commercially hunt), but mainly delicacy demand.

[Che'_Moderator]

Political side I have mixed feelings. I like whales and they are cool animals. But from conservation side a pile of countries used to kill 5000+ whales a year. In the 80s Japan was breaking laws and was taking 3000+ whales a year. Now its a couple hundred. While still sad, I am not sure how much effect it has. Not well enough read on the subject nor do I wish to be. For me bottom line is that they are breaking no laws, and even if they were I think the sea shepards would do way more actual good protesting/lobbying. What they do no pulls at heart strings but does no real good.

Go to DRC, Rawanda, Sudan. Talk about something cute. Chimps! And they love their bush meat. Some how though I do not see ol fat boy Watson telling the guy with the AK47 and ear neckless that its bad and lobbing a stink bomb at him.

[JCviggen]

Che, on 09 December 2011 - 08:35 PM, said:

I do not see ol fat boy Watson telling the guy with the AK47 and ear neckless that its bad and lobbing a stink bomb at him.

Only ever watched 30 mins of the show but the stupidity of it makes my hair fall out. I watch Gold rush Alaska though, equally idiotic but somehow entertaining.
Penn&Teller making an idiot out of Watson on one of their bullshit shows was gold though.

Edited by JCviggen, 09 December 2011 - 09:10 PM.

[theForgottenone]

I agreed about third world country poverty and culture. Rampant corruption and mean for survival is more important than conservation of animal species in those cases.

For example, this species is now extinct due to poaching.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-15430787

[ErikS]

Che, on 09 December 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

So India should role on over and kill us for eating cows? I mean there are other things to eat? Again, use the millions you raise and petition the IWC.

Ha, come to think of it yeah, pretty ethnocentric. I wonder what is more harmful to humanity's future, every whale that dies or the impact of it's weight in beef produced and consumed.

Can't say they both share the same species value, hard to put a price on evolutionary magnificence.

[Che'_Moderator]

ErikS, on 10 December 2011 - 12:39 AM, said:

Ha, come to think of it yeah, pretty ethnocentric. I wonder what is more harmful to humanity's future, every whale that dies or the impact of it's weight in beef produced and consumed.

Can't say they both share the same species value, hard to put a price on evolutionary magnificence.

Chimps vs whales?

[Pops Racer]

Atlantic salmon in the Ct River had the same stigma as the lobster. Ran so thick that wagons crossing at fords would run them over. Now they only count a few hundred returning during spawning run.

A general rule in biology is that the larger the species the fewer offspring and longer gestation periods. Not conducive to bounce back from predation. Whales, elephants, rhinos. They gotta be able to find each other to mate, and da ocean be big. It eventually becomes a numbers game.

Japanese and others are also mauling the tuna population. And they don't care to self regulate.

I'm down with Chuck's thinking, use your cash and clout to lobby. Or buy some of the whale licenses. Either in their lottery, or direct from the fishing companies. Scalp 'em. Good Ol Capitalism, buy the bastards off.


I love the mayhem on the show. I'm waiting for the Japs to put a harpoon threw the hull of one of those hippy boats and drag it around.

Edited by Pops Racer, 11 December 2011 - 12:37 AM.

[ErikS]

Che, on 10 December 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:

Chimps vs whales?

Some sort of monkey.

[Fudge_Brownie]

http://en.wikipedia....r_James_Bethune
The captain of the Ady Gil / Earthrace boat when it collided with the whaling boat

Perhaps this is old news to some, but I hadn't heard this and thought it was amazing:

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On 15 February 2010, Bethune boarded the Shōnan Maru 2 with the expressed purpose of conducting a citizen's arrest on her captain, Hiroyuki Komiya, alleging attempted murder and to present a claim for $3 million for the loss of his vessel.Bethune hoped to be taken to Japan to face charges in an effort to increase public awareness of Sea Shepherd's cause. Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research issued a statement calling it a publicity stunt. He used a jet ski to approach the ship then climbed onto its deck after cutting through an anti-boarding net that was draped around the hull. He was detained by the ship's crew and taken to Tokyo, where he was arrested by the Japanese Coast Guard on 12 March on charges of trespassing.
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On 2 April 2010, Bethune was indicted in Japan on five charges: trespassing, assault, illegal possession of a knife, destruction of property and obstruction of business. The assault charge is based on the allegation that he threw a bottle of butyric acid onto the Shōnan Maru 2 days before the boarding, causing chemical burns to a whaler's face.
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In his tearful final statement delivered on 10 June, Bethune said: "I did not have the intention of hurting crew members. I took action because I wanted to stop Japan's illegal whaling."

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On 4 June, in what was later said by Paul Watson to be a legal strategy on the part of Sea Shepherd, Sea Shepherd announced that it was no longer going to be formally associated with Bethune since a set of bow and arrows was on the Ady Gil during the anti-whaling operation.

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Bethune disassociated himself from Sea Shepherd by posting an open letter on his Facebook page on 4 October 2010, condemning the organisation and its leader Paul Watson as "dishonest" and "morally bankrupt". According to his letter, he was directed by Paul Watson to sink the Ady Gil deliberately for PR purposes after the collision with the Japanese whaling ship. He insists that the senior members of Sea Shepherd regularly lie and conspire over the serious matters, detailing many cases in his letter.

[Che'_Moderator]

And repost but this can never be posted too many times:

[ErikS]

Bees, much more important, where is their reality show?

[RobT5.]

Che, on 13 December 2011 - 02:08 AM, said:

And repost but this can never be posted too many times: