NA cams will help for sure.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:44 PM
dublin14, on 31 December 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:
NA cams will help for sure.
What's "help?"
1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest!
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:00 PM
Martijn_B, on 25 December 2011 - 10:00 PM, said:
With the right timing a guy from the Dutch forum gained around 30bhp with a 19T (335 to 367).
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 03:30 PM
850wagonT5, on 31 December 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:
What's "help?"
1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest!
1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest!
Why only 1-4hp.The HP number is relative to your setup
Maciekb2002 said be noticed a big difference in how car pulled after the NA cams were installed. He had been using turbo cams with his built setup prior. 18T vs a 20G with NA cams, the 20G will get more out of them. I did everything at once. And as someone pointed out 30hp is the latest on a 19T over turbo cams. The botom line is NA cams work and they are cheap.
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 04:08 PM
I thought it was agreed upon some time ago that the intake cam only needed to be swapped and not both?
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:16 PM
Boost3237, on 01 January 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:
I thought it was agreed upon some time ago that the intake cam only needed to be swapped and not both?
That was what Lucky did on Nick Choy's '98. I don't know if that rationale was across the board, or for his specific hardware setup
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 11:32 PM
I discussed swopping just the intake with my tuner earlier and he suggested to do both cams.
Ill be there for my mapping in 2-3 weeks though so will post the results (19T).
Ill be there for my mapping in 2-3 weeks though so will post the results (19T).
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 04:39 AM
850wagonT5, on 31 December 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:
1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest!
Take a trip to a yard, grab some cams and do it.
Bottom line is bigger cams = more powah, how much like everyone says depends on your setup. If I put in NA cams I may pick up 20hp someone else may only see 5hp. There are way too many variables to have a solid number to rely on.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:24 AM
TRACStar, on 02 January 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:
Take a trip to a yard, grab some cams and do it.
Bottom line is bigger cams = more powah, how much like everyone says depends on your setup. If I put in NA cams I may pick up 20hp someone else may only see 5hp. There are way too many variables to have a solid number to rely on.
Bottom line is bigger cams = more powah, how much like everyone says depends on your setup. If I put in NA cams I may pick up 20hp someone else may only see 5hp. There are way too many variables to have a solid number to rely on.
I already did...I've had them for a long while. And I didn't notice much. Maybe a little, but not enough to claim a specific power gain from the butt dyno.
But looking at the differences in lift/duration/lobe center compared to the turbo cams, 20+hp seems mighty optimistic. At best, they're a half-step toward a mild aftermarket street cam set. I don't think I got 20hp @ peak even with my T3/T04E @ 18-20psi...let alone putting them into a 15G car.
But that's just my opinion - only reason I didn't dyno the N/A cams was because it honestly seemed like a waste of time/money. I didn't think I was going to see a gain on the dyno.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 06:35 PM
I remember reading that the Peril lost 10hp on a dyno with the NA cams.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:08 PM
I went from using 1 NA cam to both and kind of wished I had stuck with the 1. (all euro GLT models were NA hence some confusion)
I didn't notice much improvement in top end but certainly lost something in the midrange.
That said I have no dyno data before/after.
I didn't notice much improvement in top end but certainly lost something in the midrange.
That said I have no dyno data before/after.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:27 PM
850wagonT5, on 04 January 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:
I already did...I've had them for a long while. And I didn't notice much. Maybe a little, but not enough to claim a specific power gain from the butt dyno.
But looking at the differences in lift/duration/lobe center compared to the turbo cams, 20+hp seems mighty optimistic. At best, they're a half-step toward a mild aftermarket street cam set. I don't think I got 20hp @ peak even with my T3/T04E @ 18-20psi...let alone putting them into a 15G car.
But that's just my opinion - only reason I didn't dyno the N/A cams was because it honestly seemed like a waste of time/money. I didn't think I was going to see a gain on the dyno.
But looking at the differences in lift/duration/lobe center compared to the turbo cams, 20+hp seems mighty optimistic. At best, they're a half-step toward a mild aftermarket street cam set. I don't think I got 20hp @ peak even with my T3/T04E @ 18-20psi...let alone putting them into a 15G car.
But that's just my opinion - only reason I didn't dyno the N/A cams was because it honestly seemed like a waste of time/money. I didn't think I was going to see a gain on the dyno.
Its all about how you have the car setup with timing ect. Quite a few guys over the years said they noticed a nice increase and others not so much. So that tells you something. And if I only got 15hp for a setup like mine with the NA cams over turbo cams, isnt that worth it? I mean they cost $60-70 vs say $200 for an IPD Coldair that doesnt really do much at all.
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