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#1 ARD - Lucky

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:13 PM

The purpose of this thread is to bring to light some information around the ME7 fuel system used in 1999 and later model Volvo turbocharged models.
This will not be 100% comprehensive but will be related primarily to tuning as it affects things like supporting mods, manual swaps, and the like.

First thing to understand is that there are 3 versions of ME7 used in Volvo turbocharged models from 1999-2009. The first version was used on 1999-2000 models and was not a full can bus network as the later 2001 models were.This means the potential to manual swap these cars is much easier as you only have a few modules that are impacted by a removed TCU. The second version of ME7 was 2001-2004 and was twice the file size but not too much more complex. These ECU's were on a full CAN bus network where all the modules talk to each other, unlike earlier models where the only network communication was between the ECU, TCU, ABS, Immo, and CDM (instrument cluster).
In 2005 the latest version of ME7 came out and while there were some differences in comparison to the 2001-2004 ECU's the main difference was the communication speed which jumped up from 250kbps to 500kbps.

Internal control strategy:
First thing to understand is that ME7 is vastly different than M4.x fuel systems used from 1994-1998. The main difference for the performance enthusiast will of course be around boost development and control. Where M4.x did not have a boost sensor to read actual boost value ME7 does. The boost pressure sensor in ME7 however actually has little to do with how boost is developed but is more of a safety catch if boost goes too high or is significantly too low.

ME7 is a torque based system, meaning that when you depress the throttle 50% you are effectively asking ME7 to give you 50% of the torque the ECU is programmed to allow. At 100% throttle you are effectively asking the ECU to give you 100% of the torque the ECU is programmed to allow. Notice I said "asking the ECU". That's exactly what you're doing because even though you might ask for 100% torque, the ECU may not allow it. Reasons for this can be things like overheating engine, traction control has messages that there isn't sufficient traction to suppor the user torque request, CEL on for misfires, etc...

As it relates to expected boost values:
Since ME7 is only concerned with the power (torque) it is being asked to provide it could just about care less about boost. For instance, if a particular ME7 ECU were programmed for a max torque allowance of 280ft/lbs and the user throttle request was at 100% then ME7 would try to provide that full 280ft/lbs if conditions allowed (i.e. no loss of traction, no overheating, no CEL, etc..)
If by chance it was a cold day and environmental conditions were optimal it may only require 16psi to develop that torque value. However if it were a hot day and environmental factors were not in your favor it might require 18psi to deliver the 280ft/lbs of allowable torque. If the max boost limit programmed in the ECU was 16 psi then even though you were making max boost you might not be making total allowable power. This is why boost target on ME7 may seem low even though the car ECU is providing what it is programmed to provide and consequently can mean full boost isn't necessarily making full power. This is where a datalogger comes in very handy, I've used the bluetooth OBDII loggers with the Torque Pro app and it's surpisingly useful. Scangauge II is also a great product since you can program your own PID's into the Xgauges if you like. I've gotten a few requests on PID info so go here to get the ones you may want: http://en.wikipedia....iki/OBD-II_PIDs


As it relates to ME7 and manual swap. Unfortunately it's not as easy as M4.x but it can be done.
The main complication comes from the nature of how the CAN bus system works. If the TCU is removed then other modules in the CAN network that rely on TCU data may loose some functionality.
For instance cruise control. As the TCU is controlling the trans it constantly sends out info on the can network, things like trans speed, current gear selection, errors, etc.. if the TCU is removed then it's likely the cruise control won't work as other modules in the system that rely on TCU data are expecting a TCU to be there and it's not... they are unable to carry out their functions without the TCU data they've been programmed to use.

Now programming the ECU to be a manual is no problem, so long as we have the original ECU in hand. The ECU will not be relying on the TCU input so it effectively ignores it and wont' trip the CEL.
Other modules in the network will have codes for missing TCU communication but will not cause the CEL to be lit.

Additional complications: The reverse lights might not work, IIRC the Park/Nuetral switch is connected to the TCU so when you put the car into reverse with a manual trans the message normally sent to the REM to turn on the reverse lights will not be there and they wont come on. Of course you can hardwire the lights, but again this is just an example of the few issues that will need to be addressed.

The cost to develop and recode all the modules on the high speed network is unrealistic and you'd be better off sourcing all the related modules (CEM, ETM, ECU, ABS, IMMO, Keys, ETC...) from a junk yard as some have done.

As it relates to Immo and ME7:
As there are different versions of ME7 there are different version of the immobilizer system.
In the earlier 1999-2000 models the system is more simple and the IMMO communicates directly with the ECU. If the key code pin stored in the IMMO matches the key code pin stored on the ECU then the car will start, if the code is mismatched then the car will not start. For these earlier cars manual swaps are easier because you can simply source the ECM, Immo, keys/tumbler, and ETM from a similar model that was factory manual trans and swap them to your car. Pretty easy.

For later ME7 (2001 and on) the Immo is also part of the CEM. The CEM compares the stored key code pin to the key inserted and communicates with the ECU to determined if the start is authorized or not.

The key code pin stored in the ECU is stored on a seperate chip on the board and is not part of the calibration file that makes up the tune maps in the ECU. This chip can be read and re-programmed so you can "clone" as many ECU's for your car as you like. However at this time I can only read and clone ECU's here at the shop, I have not fully decoded the communication sequence to read it through the CAN bus lines. If we can decode the comm sequence this will make ME7 ECU's as interchangeable as the M4.x ECU's.


At this time I am taking on ME7 tuning for 1999-2000 models locally or by mail. Please PM or email me (ardideas@gmail.com) for more info.

If there's any questions just post up!
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Edited by ARD - Lucky, 17 January 2012 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:25 PM

2001+: are you stating that you can tune for these vehicles if the ECU is sent to you? Or not at this time?

Just asking because I wanted to get a tune for my 01 T5M and might be in your area in a few months.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

Yes we can tune 01-04 models at this time but because I'm concerned the response might be over whelming I'm only taking on a few model years at a time so I still have time for development.

PM and I'll be happy to meet up with you when you're ready!
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:10 PM

Sooooo awesome

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:15 PM

Good info, Lucky! Thanks for filling us in how the ME7 ECU's operate over the M4.x.

Looking froward to when you have the '05+ tunes ready to rock & roll.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:14 AM

I have a few questions that others may want to see the answers to:

1) What is the pricing?
2) Can you increase the max tq allowed/desired?
a) if so, can it be done by rpm?
3) Can you increase the max rpms in an automatic?
4) Can you program multiple ECUs to the same car?
5) What is the full purpose of the rear O2 sensor? I've seen everything from nothing, to impacting the fueling.


Thanks for doing this lucky and improving the aftermarket for our Swedish cars :tup:

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:17 AM

(4) Is answered in his post and (5) Is a question for google
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

Glad to have some solid info about manual swap tunes. I think I can live without cruise control and backup lights haha. Definitely looking to do this in the fall.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 12:49 AM

Good stuff Lucky :tup:

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 01:18 AM

Things are-a-happenin at the flappy paddle ranch lol. Great job as usual lucky!

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 11:56 PM

View PostGideon35T, on 18 January 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

(4) Is answered in his post and (5) Is a question for google

4 - yeah...it would have helped to reread the 1st post a few times, thanks for pointing it out to me
5 - google returns the he said, she said responses, it would be nice to get a definitive answer from somebody that has seen the ECU, plus if the rear O2 isn't used, then it can by bypassed without any ill effects to the tune.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:06 AM

View Posttchnprgrmr, on 18 January 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

I have a few questions that others may want to see the answers to:

1) What is the pricing?
2) Can you increase the max tq allowed/desired?
a) if so, can it be done by rpm?
3) Can you increase the max rpms in an automatic?
4) Can you program multiple ECUs to the same car?
5) What is the full purpose of the rear O2 sensor? I've seen everything from nothing, to impacting the fueling.

1. $495.00 for sending your ECU in or local tuning, the remote option is projected at $695.00
2. Of course, wouldn't be much of a tuner otherwise :lol:
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Rear 02 technically is used only for catalytic convertor efficiency monitoring but in certain circumstances can be used for mixture detection specifically if there is issue with the front O2 sensor. You can delete it or turn off the CEL for it but I'm not offering that yet.

More info to come in the next few days, I have screenshots of the various maps I'm putting together now plus more 'under the hood' stuff.


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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:05 AM

Ok manual swap 01-04 .

No CEL
No Cruise
4k rev limiter removed.
No Reverse lights but you can hard wire.

yes no ? will just give you a call lol
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:08 AM

I have new number, PM and we chat
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:31 AM

View PostChilled Man, on 19 January 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Ok manual swap 01-04 .

No CEL
No Cruise
4k rev limiter removed.
No Reverse lights but you can hard wire.

yes no ? will just give you a call lol
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 02:41 AM

Front O2 sensor is for mixture. Rear O2 sensor is basically checking the efficiency of the cat converter. When you put a downpipe in, even if you have a cat, you may get a CEL, so you put in a "spacer" to move the O2 sensor away from the exhaust, and suddenly, it reads fine. Basically, it can be deleted if you ask.
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 05:52 AM

Lets start with the basics... As we all know 1999+ models do not have a mechanical throttle but rather use an electronic throttle module (ETM). The ECU and ETM are joined such that the ECU is ultimately in control of the ETM. So even when you put your foot at 100% throttle you may not actually get it. If parameters are not optimal (i.e. traction loss, boost overshoot, etc..) the ECU may command the ETM to not fully open. However for the most part what you request is what you get.... or is it?

Take a look at the map below. Note that the left axis (up and down) is throttle position, and the bottom axis (left and right) is Rpm.
The 'height' of the map represents what the ETM will actually do if there are no problems/issues. Note how un-linear it is.
Pretty typical off the line but note how it really starts to jump up in midrange RPM. This BTW is a stock map from a T5 auto.
So right here we can see real opportunity to make a more linear map with respect to how a convential throttle might feel, which BTW is my biggest complaint with ME7.
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More to come... Fuel, timing, and boost next!

Edited by ARD - Lucky, 20 January 2012 - 05:59 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 11:35 PM

Pure win. Keep it up Lucky!
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 01:56 AM

View PostARD - Lucky, on 20 January 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

So right here we can see real opportunity to make a more linear map with respect to how a convential throttle might feel

This is awesome, and exactly what I can't wait to get out of this tune. A linear throttle feel (what you put in is what you get) makes driving a car so much more fun.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 02:06 AM

Wow, I can't say I'm surprised much by that map though. That is exactly how the car feels when given throttle input.
Lucky, are able to completely eliminate the cars ability to pull throttle due to traction loss? I'd much rather control traction with my foot then have the ecu do it for me.
Also, are there any adjustments you are (may be) able to play with for geartronic? When might those be available? By biggest complaint about geartronic is that multigear downshifts are painfully slow, haha. I'd inquire about faster upshifts too but I worry about added strain on the system.
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