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[Fudge_Brownie]

volvos70turbo99, on 25 February 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

honestly I don't see a lot of manual cars with more advertised hp than their auto counterparts, even if the auto is 4 speed and manual is 5 speed, only one i can think of off the top of my head is the rx8 which is a 6 speed in both versions, 20hp difference. The only reason I think why manuals post quicker acceleration speeds is because they can launch it at a certain rpm, i mean auto you can I guess but it wouldn't really have the same effect, right? I like my auto, screw it.

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When cars are advertised, they are advertised as bhp, or the power at the crank. So.... even if one transmission intentionally removes power, the car will be advertised as the same amount of power.
As for manuals being able to launch yes. Especially funny beacuse these guys with dead auto transmissions are talking about how many times they brake-boosted.

[volvos70turbo99]

hmm so thats why these auto trannys die, because of that lol and not changing the fluid, guess thats why mines still going, i don't do that crap.

[850wagonT5]

Fudge_Brownie, on 25 February 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

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When cars are advertised, they are advertised as bhp, or the power at the crank. So.... even if one transmission intentionally removes power, the car will be advertised as the same amount of power.
As for manuals being able to launch yes. Especially funny beacuse these guys with dead auto transmissions are talking about how many times they brake-boosted.

Mazda isn't the only one to do this. I've seen it in either Infiniti or Nissan in the past. Even Volvo has done this...they advertised the manual 850R at 250hp for manual transmissions/RoW models, but 240hp in the US because of the automatic. I have some of those reviews in old VW & Porsche magazines (before it was called European Car). No scanner, unfortunately. There are plenty other examples. I've seen many manufacturers advertisements over the years that read something like "300hp (manual), 289hp (automatic)" in their literature. If you really want me to dig up ads, I will do it when I get the chance...but you can google them just the same as I can.

The inverse is also true...sometimes, automatics will have more advertised torque than the manual counterpart with the same engine. A good example is a Dodge Ram 2500/3500 (Cummins 6.7L). The manual trans is advertised as 610 lb/ft; the automatic is 650 lb/ft. This, of course, due to the torque converter.

So it would appear that not all automakers have always simply advertised flywheel power alone.

Ah, it was the Z32TT I was initially thinking. Manual = 300hp, Auto = 280hp as advertised by Nissan. If I think of more, I won't post them...lol. You can search yourself.

2000 Powerstroke...250 HP and 505 ft/lbs torque for automatic transmission and 275 HP and 520 ft/lbs torque for manual transmission, etc etc.

But anyway...yes, the brake stands will cook the automatics pretty quickly. But I'm amazed at how much power mine has tolerated, seemingly because of good fluid and pretty much no brake boosting.

[volvos70turbo99]

yea and your not using a trans cooler right? that makes me feel better about my trans lol, plus im making much less power than you, haha.

[project_850]

850wagonT5, on 26 February 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

Even Volvo has done this...they advertised the manual 850R at 250hp for manual transmissions/RoW models, but 240hp in the US because of the automatic.

That's because manual 850R's got a 16T, uprated intercoolers, white 350cc injectors, and different mapping on the ECU. Torque is also up to 280lb-ft.

[aggarcia]

The 850R 5-speed had the same injectors and same intercooler as Auto version. The ECU software was different because of the transmission and 16T turbo. It is not a apples to apples comparison.

[850wagonT5]

Good to know (if I ever move to Europe and buy an 850R)! Thanks!

[850wagonT5]

To the OP...you've got a really healthy runner there...went back and watched some of your vids. That's a great ET for your mods. What are you planning to do next? I noticed you're still full weight too...haha. Classic kills!

I was making 240whp and 275wtq with about the same mods on the 15G with 100 octane. From there, the easiest things for decent gains would be to either swap the turbo (+50hp) or gut the rear end out (-275 lbs). Make more vids, they are fun to watch!

[fwdGTP]

I sold my 850, but I still have all the mods etc, I'm hoping to pick up either an 850R or S70 T5, looking for a manual swapped or factory manual car. Main reason for the car switch is because mine wasn't in anywhere near perfect condition ie faded paint on the doors, clear coat peel on the trunk and wing, small dent and scratches on the rear fender etc, so I wanna try and pick up a clean bodied one.

[vmaxx]

Good luck, keep us posted