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[Ihatespeedbumps]

The President is too conservative for me.

That being said, I'll vote for him again (though it doesn't matter in my state) because the alternative(s) are much much worse. My vote will reflect one of the many defects of the two party system we have in this country.

[Che'_Moderator]

flyfishing3, on 11 May 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

IMO the problem is the masses that don't follow politics, law etc. the lemmings are to sway-able by attack ads.

Thats your only hope for me not taking your money.

[Fudge_Brownie]

Kevin., on 12 May 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Like I said before, Obama has a better chance of being reelected.

That being said, I "hope" the American nation isn't fooled twice into having the same terrible president for another 4
years.

I'm honestly curious as to why you feel he's been a terrible president.

[Burn-E]

Zappo, on 12 May 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

You are too young to know what terrible is.

He's too young or too naive to even know what he's talking about when he claims Obama has a better chance of being elected unless he qualifies that argument.

Substance Kevin, substance. Explain your claims.

[Kevin.]

I suppose I'm basing my claim off of the polls I've been following for the past while showing Obama having a slight edge over Romney. Like I said before, I am not voting blue.

As far as being a terrible president, you could say it comes down to personal views. Some people like the guy, others don't. I fall under the category that doesn't.


On a side note, I'm all for calling things what they are, but calling me naive is a little.....over the top so to speak.

[Fudge_Brownie]

So, personal views that's fine ... but we want to know what they are that you personally don't agree with. If any of your personal views end with "cuz it just aint right", then calling you naive was being nice.

[gdizzle]

flyfishing3, on 11 May 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

i've never hidden who i voted for. i must confess i was wrong about McCain dyeing in office though and thats why i couldn't vote for PALIN

it was a joke.

[Burn-E]

Fudge_Brownie, on 16 May 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

So, personal views that's fine ... but we want to know what they are that you personally don't agree with. If any of your personal views end with "cuz it just aint right", then calling you naive was being nice.

Agreed. Personal opinion is great. But if you just say I don't like the guy with nothing more to it then you risk being labeled as vapid as this guy:




What polls Kevin? Who sourced and funded those polls? And did you look at how the polls were structured or did you just take the 30 second sound bite from a newscaster? Were they polling likely voters or just registered voters?

My favorite quote from my stats studies is: Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Me, I go to the source of the polls, and actually when you look across all of them, you'll find that Obama and Romney are basically neck and neck.

Additionally, polls right now only provide part of the picture. For poll insight I read Nate Silver from Five Thirty-Eight on the NY Times (who is perhaps the most sophisticated political statistician who publicly publishes his insights). I recognize that Nate has a liberal bias but he states it up front in order to maintain his reputation and he provides the basis for the conclusions he draws. And then I read across the other major analysts in WSJ, Washington Post, BBC, Financial Times, Daily Telegraph, key political pundits who have their own blogs like Nate, etc.

Like I said in my first post on this thread, we're a little early in the process to even draw that conclusion. We're moving into the silly period of a Presidential Election when no one is really paying attention (because the American public really doesn't until after Labor Day), and the two candidates start digging for reasons to make themselves newsworthy or to take shots at their opponent.

[flyfishing3]

I said hi to John McCain today

I had a delay in Dulles and he was walking down the isle

I sssssssooooo wanted to ask him why? But I just said hello SIR.

[Fudge_Brownie]

He was personally clearing your plan for terrrrrr'ists. You said hi ... but he didn't say anything back? So some old dude in sweat pants was just shouting at him as he walked down the isle?

I'm still holding my breath for Kevin's replay. I'm turning blue.

[Zappo]

Fudge_Brownie, on 22 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

So some old dude in sweat pants was just shouting at him as he walked down the isle?

It was John McCain, everyone is young to him.

[550]

I "personally" feel it doesn't matter who really gets elected as a divided house will always just clash on ... everything. I mean, I disliked Bush, as he was actually a moron. But is that to say that anyone would have done better in that situation? I honestly can't say Gore would have done better, (probably not, LOL).

I will be voting Obama. I think the only way to really judge him is another 4 years, but his first 4 were pretty much tainted with all the bad that could happen in this country. It isn't easy to walk into a cluster F**K and have to fix it all in only 4 years when no one is supporting you.

[Fudge_Brownie]

550, on 23 May 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

I mean, I disliked Bush, as he was actually a moron. But is that to say that anyone would have done better in that situation?

Derail : http://www.quora.com...ne-conversation
I read that a while back when the question was first asked, and thought it was rather interesting. Credible? No. But certainly not something to ignore either.

I unfortunately do not follow politics as closely as I would like to, but isn't the reason for enormous clashes/lack of progress when you have an R dominated congress but a D pres (and vice versa)?

[550]

Fudge_Brownie, on 23 May 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Derail : http://www.quora.com...ne-conversation
I read that a while back when the question was first asked, and thought it was rather interesting. Credible? No. But certainly not something to ignore either.

I unfortunately do not follow politics as closely as I would like to, but isn't the reason for enormous clashes/lack of progress when you have an R dominated congress but a D pres (and vice versa)?

Just leave it to mainstream media to make someone look completely the opposite of the way they are. I don't doubt anything. If all that is ever caught of someone is their blunders, than they will always look stupid.

:-/

[Zappo]

Fudge_Brownie, on 23 May 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

I unfortunately do not follow politics as closely as I would like to, but isn't the reason for enormous clashes/lack of progress when you have an R dominated congress but a D pres (and vice versa)?

Your sanity is better off if you don't follow it closely.

In the past there was always comprimise. One side wanted this, the other side wanted that and usually they would meet somewhere in the middle to get things done. Clinton was the last president where that still worked. Under Bush it changed. Bush wasn't the main reason, but his spending money left and right helped. The Republicans are becoming more conservative and shifting farther to the right. Moderate republicans are a thing of the past, and the new conservatives won't negociate. Last year they almost forced the government to shutdown just to get their way. They absolutely will not raise taxes, even though the only real way to solve the debt problem is to both raise taxes and cut spending.

The real problem is there is too much money involved. Congress doesn't represent the people, they represent the biggest donors to their election campaigns. This is a problem on both sides and isn't likely to change since campaign finance reform bills are immediately smothered.

[flyfishing3]

i follow this shit way to close and im so turned off by the extreme ends.

its never good to be lead by extremists and their money is funding clones and their voice is loud and bullying.

the problem wont be the pres. its the house/senate/govenors/mayors etc.

if your in, i'm working on getting you out.

[Zappo]

flyfishing3, on 23 May 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

the problem wont be the pres. its the house/senate/govenors/mayors etc.

if your in, i'm working on getting you out.

Pretty much.

The birther movement won't go away either.

[flyfishing3]

IMO thats nothing

the damn super pacs and the super secret pacs(504?) are the problem