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[Daisy_854]

Simply Volvo, on 23 May 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

This is really awesome! Finally someone documented it!

Hah and oh you beat daisy!

Great work! I look forward to seeing if you do upgrades =)

Um theres no race, it's about doing it it right.
Besided I've been too busy with the new car, I toasted it at Autox at Carlisle. Might have dropped a valve or bent a rod. :/

[Simply Volvo]

Sorry daisy and everyone didn't mean to try and turn it into. A competition I was just messing around.

My apologies for offending anyone.

=)

[Burn-E]

Tech, on 23 May 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

This post was made to show it could be done and it is not all that hard!

No one ever said it COULDN'T be done. We question the ease of doing it. Especially if you're not a Volvo trained tech with deep familiarity with the workings of the 850/X70 platform.

It's great to see an example of success. Let's just be clear to everyone else that what was easy for you two will be different for those who don't see the gaps in what you've written here. It's the gaps that will drive them crazy.

[Daisy_854]

Burn-E, on 23 May 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

No one ever said it COULDN'T be done. We question the ease of doing it. Especially if you're not a Volvo trained tech with deep familiarity with the workings of the 850/X70 platform.

It's great to see an example of success. Let's just be clear to everyone else that what was easy for you two will be different for those who don't see the gaps in what you've written here. It's the gaps that will drive them crazy.

Yeah thats cool, you know I'm just saying what I gotta say since uh HOW MANY people said "fail" "failed" "stupid idea" blah blah ...

[Burn-E]

Daisy_854, on 23 May 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

Yeah thats cool, you know I'm just saying what I gotta say since uh HOW MANY people said "fail" "failed" "stupid idea" blah blah ...

Bitter much?

I'm not going to start a pissing match and derail this thread Melissa but if you go back and look, we never said it's not possible. What we said was it's a pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing. If you were as experienced as Phil and Alan you wouldn't be asking us for our input - you would just go do it.

Let us know when you succeed.

[optimus prime]

Burn-E, on 23 May 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

No one ever said it COULDN'T be done. We question the ease of doing it. Especially if you're not a Volvo trained tech with deep familiarity with the workings of the 850/X70 platform.

It's great to see an example of success. Let's just be clear to everyone else that what was easy for you two will be different for those who don't see the gaps in what you've written here. It's the gaps that will drive them crazy.

See this what trying to figure out. What are these gaps. I want to know what exactly the issues are and what modifications need to be done to make it work. becuase this guy makes seem like its literally get all the stuff under the hood of a turbo car and put it in the na shell add a boost gauge and done deal. Which honestly seems not all that hard if you have the right tools.

[Volvo5.0]

Burn-E, on 23 May 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

No one ever said it COULDN'T be done. We question the ease of doing it. Especially if you're not a Volvo trained tech with deep familiarity with the workings of the 850/X70 platform.

It's great to see an example of success. Let's just be clear to everyone else that what was easy for you two will be different for those who don't see the gaps in what you've written here. It's the gaps that will drive them crazy.

You hit the nail on the head.

If you have a complete donor car it's easy, but if you are trying to piece it together from several junkers then it really is helpful to have as much experience with these cars as possible. That way when you need an obscure part, you'll know exactly which car to get it from. You're right about the "gaps". It would be very hard to write a complete step by step guide to the swap and cover EVERYTHING without any gaps. There will be small issues that will have to be dealt with, and how they are dealt with will separate the successful swap from the failed one.

[Tech]

I am not here to start a pissing match either. But it really is not all that hard.
And to be clear he did not have a full donor car to use either. It was all pieced together.

Also another reason for this post is for people to ask and get their questions answered about the swap. I thought that is what these forums were for.

So these gaps can be filled if someone just asks a question.

He did all the work to the car in pretty much one weekend. I was not there helping him do it. I just gave advise on what needed to be done.

This is the second swap like this I have in some way been a part of.

To the people that have done the swaps it really is pretty much straight forward to do the swap. So if people have a sound N/A shell and they do it with planning and searching for parts the swap can be done for cheaper than buying a turbo one.

[Inkedphil]

Burn-E, on 23 May 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

No one ever said it COULDN'T be done. We question the ease of doing it. Especially if you're not a Volvo trained tech with deep familiarity with the workings of the 850/X70 platform.

It's great to see an example of success. Let's just be clear to everyone else that what was easy for you two will be different for those who don't see the gaps in what you've written here. It's the gaps that will drive them crazy.

That's why we are on the forums, to help each other out! I will gladly answer any questions in regards to the "gaps" in my swap thread

Tech, on 24 May 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

I am not here to start a pissing match either. But it really is not all that hard.
And to be clear he did not have a full donor car to use either. It was all pieced together.

Also another reason for this post is for people to ask and get their questions answered about the swap. I thought that is what these forums were for.

So these gaps can be filled if someone just asks a question.

He did all the work to the car in pretty much one weekend. I was not there helping him do it. I just gave advise on what needed to be done.

This is the second swap like this I have in some way been a part of.

To the people that have done the swaps it really is pretty much straight forward to do the swap. So if people have a sound N/A shell and they do it with planning and searching for parts the swap can be done for cheaper than buying a turbo one.

Yeah, Yeah, What he said!!!!

[Burn-E]

Tech, on 24 May 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

Also another reason for this post is for people to ask and get their questions answered about the swap. I thought that is what these forums were for.

So these gaps can be filled if someone just asks a question.


To the people that have done the swaps it really is pretty much straight forward to do the swap. So if people have a sound N/A shell and they do it with planning and searching for parts the swap can be done for cheaper than buying a turbo one.

Inkedphil, on 24 May 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

That's why we are on the forums, to help each other out! I will gladly answer any questions in regards to the "gaps" in my swap thread

Yeah, Yeah, What he said!!!!

I called out the gap because I wasn't sure whether you two were signing up to be the go to assistance when it comes to helping those who decide they want to go this route.

And I think that's fantastic because I would love to see this be a real possibility for anyone who has the desire to tackle turning their NA into a turbo car. I've only been a negative nancy about this because of the experience that Daniel and Matt went through as a result of their efforts to convert his car. I don't want to see anyone walk into an effort like this blindly thinking it's a walk in the park.

With the proper write ups and assistance we can shift the answer to, "Yes, you can do it if you have all the right parts and assistance."

[matt b]

Thanks for sharing Phil. It's always good to have a reference thread on such an in-depth swap.Hopefully a mod can pin this so that others can see it.

For the fuel system : did you have to change the pump and the return line at the fuel rail ? I know there was talk about the fuel lines not matching up, not having the right pumps, etc....

[scandalo]

Tech, on 24 May 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

I am not here to start a pissing match either. But it really is not all that hard.
And to be clear he did not have a full donor car to use either. It was all pieced together.

Also another reason for this post is for people to ask and get their questions answered about the swap. I thought that is what these forums were for.

So these gaps can be filled if someone just asks a question.

He did all the work to the car in pretty much one weekend. I was not there helping him do it. I just gave advise on what needed to be done.

This is the second swap like this I have in some way been a part of.

To the people that have done the swaps it really is pretty much straight forward to do the swap. So if people have a sound N/A shell and they do it with planning and searching for parts the swap can be done for cheaper than buying a turbo one.

That is an awesome attitude to have and I for one am grateful to see you trying to help as much as you have. You were there all those years ago when I didn't know anything about my T5.

People are quick to spit out second and third hand information here so having a thread such as this where you can see that it has been done is great.

Only thing I could ask is do you guys think you can remember the parts needed? Even if it is just a rough draft? I think that will cut down on a lot of erroneous posts in this thread.

[Inkedphil]

matt b, on 24 May 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Thanks for sharing Phil. It's always good to have a reference thread on such an in-depth swap.Hopefully a mod can pin this so that others can see it.

For the fuel system : did you have to change the pump and the return line at the fuel rail ? I know there was talk about the fuel lines not matching up, not having the right pumps, etc....

I was fortunate in the fact that she already had both return, and feed line for the n/a....I changed out the fuel rail and injectors, as far as the fuel pump is concerned the n/a and turbo share the same fuel pump assembly.

[Tech]

Burn-E, on 24 May 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

I called out the gap because I wasn't sure whether you two were signing up to be the go to assistance when it comes to helping those who decide they want to go this route.

And I think that's fantastic because I would love to see this be a real possibility for anyone who has the desire to tackle turning their NA into a turbo car. I've only been a negative nancy about this because of the experience that Daniel and Matt went through as a result of their efforts to convert his car. I don't want to see anyone walk into an effort like this blindly thinking it's a walk in the park.

With the proper write ups and assistance we can shift the answer to, "Yes, you can do it if you have all the right parts and assistance."

I have been a member for 6 years here already. I do not post all that much because I get tired of going through how posts like this go. I can be found on other Volvo forums with the same screen name. I have not had all that much time lately to get on but I would not have started on something like this if I was just going to back out after the post.

scandalo, on 24 May 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

That is an awesome attitude to have and I for one am grateful to see you trying to help as much as you have. You were there all those years ago when I didn't know anything about my T5.

People are quick to spit out second and third hand information here so having a thread such as this where you can see that it has been done is great.

Only thing I could ask is do you guys think you can remember the parts needed? Even if it is just a rough draft? I think that will cut down on a lot of erroneous posts in this thread.

Thank You. Glad Info I have posted elsewhere has helped you out in the past. I have been working through alot of home issues lately so I can not go on the main forum I usually go on much. But over 8 years of info is already posted on there.

I just joined the forums to try to help not cause issues.

[MattyXXL]

Thats one of the reasons you get free bulbs.....
Always there to lend a helping hand...

[Tech]

MattyXXL, on 25 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Thats one of the reasons you get free bulbs.....
Always there to lend a helping hand...

LOL thanks Matt!!!

[optimus prime]

So it does or does not need a return line?

[MattyXXL]

optimus prime, on 25 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

So it does or does not need a return line?

Inkedphil, on 24 May 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

I was fortunate in the fact that she already had both return, and feed line for the n/a...

It does homeslice..

[optimus prime]

not too bad though add return line done deal gas tank is the same either way checked part numbers. how about the fpr can it use the on thats located by the filter or does it have to be the one on the rail?