Beunhaas Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) I'm not aware of myself stating that these thing are 100% truth, it might have been my enthusiasm taking over. These are my findings and because I'm happy with the results I like to share them and so I did. Thanks for the additions to my posts, you sure have a point in these about the mixture. With you now thinking I have personal problems with ya ur also taking things personal. This is not my intention, for sure I will sent u some PM still thinking about the content :P Edited January 14, 2018 by Beunhaas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyc2003 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 i am after a little help i am posting a log off tuner pro, after reading through this mass of fantastic information, i believe this is the correct place to ask for a little help ! i am currently finding my way around this 4.4 tuning but have stumbled across a problem that some of the veterans may have a easy answer for . i have a 850 t5 running 4.4 with no issues (with greens), but i am about to install a k24 to go with other mods that i have done,but am using my spare 4.4 ecu to get used to altering and seeing changes where adjustments have been made . my issue : car starts from cold ok but mil light on ,once warmed up starting it again is a real issue i have logged my most recent run. i from my observations is that maf maxes out at 2k (a standard map ) and system voltage is very low as well i am wandering is the voltage issue contributing to the maf issue? any input appreciated . test 2.xdl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beunhaas Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Not able to see your log... maybe you could start an thread for M4.4 tuning issues? Did you set up your greens right according to the wiki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdog Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Beunhaas said: (-is advance and +is retard) Well now I'm even more confused? Am i wrong, or don't most people associate minus (-) with retarding the timing, and plus (+) with advancing? But that's not even the question I was asking.. I was asking which cam (intake or exhaust) was advanced and which was retarded; you didn't say in the post I was asking about: On 1/13/2018 at 11:39 AM, Beunhaas said: That is how we ended up with -2,+4 Edited January 15, 2018 by gdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beunhaas Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, gdog said: Well now I'm even more confused? Am i wrong, or don't most people associate minus (-) with retarding the timing, and plus (+) with advancing? But that's not even the question I was asking.. I was asking which cam (intake or exhaust) was advanced and which was retarded; you didn't say in the post I was asking about: Gehe, I more or less forgot to give you a decent answer because of the discussion with boxman. The + and - story seemed rather logic in Dutch So exhaust cam was 2 degrees advanced and inlet cam 4 degrees retarded. So exhaust opens 2 degrees earlier and inlet closes 4 degrees later. Less overlap and longer time for cylinder filling. Edited January 15, 2018 by Beunhaas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdog Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Beunhaas said: So exhaust cam was 2 degrees advanced and inlet cam 4 degrees retarded. Now that seems more reasonable. There are countless threads on this topic; here's one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beunhaas Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 hours ago, gdog said: Now that seems more reasonable. There are countless threads on this topic; here's one: It was Piet who asked me to translate it and put it here, so that's why I did. I didn't see the other topic though, will check. Thnx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Don’t blame me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyc2003 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Canx Edited May 22, 2018 by Phillyc2003 Error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowkeyturbo Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Hey guys, Long time lurker here. So I think I finally found out the Green injector Mystery. The green Injectors flow 415cc @ 3 bar NOT 440CC at 3 bar. Did not anyone think it was strange that it was said they flow 440cc @ 3 bar and 465 @ 3.8? Here is the Solution it comes like this. There are two "green" injectors. Ones are Green TOPS PN :0280 150 558 which flow 440cc @ 3 bar these are FORD injectors The others are the GREEN GIANTS PN: 0 280 155 968 which flow 415cc @ 3 bar The confusion comes from http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/products/Bosch_42lb_440cc_Green_Giant_High_Impedance_Injector-256-4.html Listing both : Bosch 0 280 155 968 ( 0280155968 ) Bosch 0 280 150 558 ( 0280150558 ) as reference numbers. Now when we do the calculations for the VOLVO green giants they are 415 cc @ 3bar , 465cc at 3.8 bar and 478cc @ 4 bar. It all makes sense now: Use http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.php for the calculations. When you do it this way it makes sense and it corresponds with flow testing done at a shop for the Volvo Green giants which flows around 415-420CC at 3 bar. :) I hope this helps. I suggest the M4.4 wiki is updated too. Edited January 31, 2018 by lowkeyturbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo bob Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Probably a stupid questions but I thought the M4.4 only is able to control high-impedance injectors, unless you guys are using resistor boxes for anyone using low impedance ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, lowkeyturbo said: Hey guys, Long time lurker here. So I think I finally found out the Green injector Mystery. The green Injectors flow 415cc @ 3 bar NOT 440CC at 3 bar. Did not anyone think it was strange that it was said they flow 440cc @ 3 bar and 465 @ 3.8? Here is the Solution it comes like this. There are two "green" injectors. Ones are Green TOPS PN :0280 150 558 which flow 440cc @ 3 bar these are FORD injectors The others are the GREEN GIANTS PN: 0 280 155 968 which flow 415cc @ 3 bar The confusion comes from http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/products/Bosch_42lb_440cc_Green_Giant_High_Impedance_Injector-256-4.html Listing both : Bosch 0 280 155 968 ( 0280155968 ) Bosch 0 280 150 558 ( 0280150558 ) as reference numbers. Now when we do the calculations for the VOLVO green giants they are 415 cc @ 3bar , 465cc at 3.8 bar and 478cc @ 4 bar. It all makes sense now: Use http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.php for the calculations. When you do it this way it makes sense and it corresponds with flow testing done at a shop for the Volvo Green giants which flows around 415-420CC at 3 bar. :) I hope this helps. I suggest the M4.4 wiki is updated too. It's a bit more complicated I'am afraid. I've tested (volvo) greens 0 280 155 968 to be 448 cc at 3 bar: http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic/159506-tuners-rejoice-free-tuning-for-m44/?page=200&tab=comments#comment-2315471 http://www.volvo850forum.nl/index.php/topic,41329.msg1501300.html#msg1501300 There are two different types of greens though 415 and 448 cc, but not being the ford injectors. Edited February 1, 2018 by Piet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowkeyturbo Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Piet said: It's a bit more complicated I'am afraid. I've tested (volvo) greens 0 280 155 968 to be 448 cc at 3 bar: http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic/159506-tuners-rejoice-free-tuning-for-m44/?page=200&tab=comments#comment-2315471 http://www.volvo850forum.nl/index.php/topic,41329.msg1501300.html#msg1501300 There are two different types of greens though 415 and 448 cc, but not being the ford injectors. Man that just makes it more complicated. Were those out of a S60R/V70R p2 or a 2000 V70R. Maybe the 415cc are the 2000V70R and the 448 are the P2 S/V -R's? Are the PN the same for the P80 and P2 greens? Edited February 1, 2018 by lowkeyturbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 It seems that the ones of a Volvo (all types) are 415 cc I got mine from a reseller (original Bosch), these usually turn out to be 448 cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beunhaas Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Interesting, but they do have the same part no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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