I wrote yesterday about my son's girlfriend's 1999 S70. Her power steering is making a noise so I greased the steering stops. Now she tells me that she had in a local shop and they say the pump is bad because the fluid was foamy. Would a bad pump be the only cause for there to be foam in the p.s. fluid. Coudn't a loose or bad hose cause foam? How about overfilling the reservior. Thanks everyone for helping. The kid is in college and freaked at the $1,000-1,200 the shop quoted to replace the pump.
Power Steering Woes
Started by moneyman, Feb 13 2005 04:58 PM
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 05:06 PM
um 1000 dollars is a load of stuff. Tell that shop to go to hell.I have a 98 s70 (i'm pretty sure the pumps are the same). If you do end up buying a pump get a used one of a wrecked car. (car-part.com) That is SO ridiculous. I got mine for 80 dollars with 71k miles on the clock. But even new it was 500 dollars, so they are charging 500+ in labor. That really pisses me off.(170 for labor, I paid.)
Your sons girlfriend needs a new mechanic, where you guys live? I would say check out the board below this that says dealers, it also has good indy mechanics as well. If you live in illinois I can help you out with a few places. But that is entirely too much if it is the same as my 98 s70.
As for the steering pump. What people suggest is, you empty out the resvior and then put new fluid in. Someone will explain it more indetail as I don't know it all compeletyl and wouldn't want to tell you the wrong thing.
Also to tell id the pump is bad there should be alot of noise when turning. When mine went it was grinding the bearings, so it made ALOT of noise and sometimes when I would be parking, I would be turning hard and it would just not turn for a second but then it would catch it self within a second. I would say just because it is foamy that doesn't mean anything. RIch will be able to help more on that...
Good luck
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Your sons girlfriend needs a new mechanic, where you guys live? I would say check out the board below this that says dealers, it also has good indy mechanics as well. If you live in illinois I can help you out with a few places. But that is entirely too much if it is the same as my 98 s70.
As for the steering pump. What people suggest is, you empty out the resvior and then put new fluid in. Someone will explain it more indetail as I don't know it all compeletyl and wouldn't want to tell you the wrong thing.
Also to tell id the pump is bad there should be alot of noise when turning. When mine went it was grinding the bearings, so it made ALOT of noise and sometimes when I would be parking, I would be turning hard and it would just not turn for a second but then it would catch it self within a second. I would say just because it is foamy that doesn't mean anything. RIch will be able to help more on that...
Good luck
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:02 PM
most common cause of foam in the res is that the owner didn't put the green synthetic power steering fluid in the car. Second is that the level is too low and should be topped up. and Lastly the pump could be bad.
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:12 PM
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most common cause of foam in the res is that the owner didn't put the green synthetic power steering fluid in the car. Second is that the level is too low and should be topped up. and Lastly the pump could be bad.
Thanks for the info. As to the p.s. fluid, the owners manual say that its ATF, which I assume is Automatic Transmission Fluid. Is the manual wrong? And what exactly is th brand name of the "green synthetic power steering fluid" you referred to. Is this a dealers only part or can you but it at most auto parts stores? Thanks
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QUOTE(Bay 13 Admin @ Feb 13 2005, 06:02 PM)
most common cause of foam in the res is that the owner didn't put the green synthetic power steering fluid in the car. Second is that the level is too low and should be topped up. and Lastly the pump could be bad.
Thanks for the info. As to the p.s. fluid, the owners manual say that its ATF, which I assume is Automatic Transmission Fluid. Is the manual wrong? And what exactly is th brand name of the "green synthetic power steering fluid" you referred to. Is this a dealers only part or can you but it at most auto parts stores? Thanks
Bay 13 Admin are you still online. Would appreciate you reply to my son post above. Thanks
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:34 PM
wow, mechanic quoted $1000 to fix something that might not even be broken... what a criminal
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 09:44 PM
I've had good results with synthetic ATF. I'd like to hear more about the green syn powersteering fluid.
Changing the power steering fluid is easy. Suck out the old fluid with a turkey baster or pull a hose off the bottom, replace the hose, fill with ATF, drive, remove & refill again, ditto, until you've gone through a quart of ATF.
Auto-rx is effective for cleaning the power steering system and reconditioning the seals if they're undamaged.
Lubegard makes very good powersteering fluid or a fluid supplement to be added to ATF. They work well.
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Changing the power steering fluid is easy. Suck out the old fluid with a turkey baster or pull a hose off the bottom, replace the hose, fill with ATF, drive, remove & refill again, ditto, until you've gone through a quart of ATF.
Auto-rx is effective for cleaning the power steering system and reconditioning the seals if they're undamaged.
Lubegard makes very good powersteering fluid or a fluid supplement to be added to ATF. They work well.
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 10:18 PM
I know what the manual says and I also know that the reason Volvo when to synthetic fluid in the first place was because the power steering pump went to a higher operation pressure(from 1999 to present) and the standard red ATF foams too much. The green synthetic power steering fluid doesn't foam as easily. Volvo brand is green and I think the VW brand is green also, don't know what would be available at trac-auto etc.
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 10:49 PM
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I know what the manual says and I also know that the reason Volvo when to synthetic fluid in the first place was because the power steering pump went to a higher operation pressure(from 1999 to present) and the standard red ATF foams too much. The green synthetic power steering fluid doesn't foam as easily. Volvo brand is green and I think the VW brand is green also, don't know what would be available at trac-auto etc.
I really appreciate everyone's help and the heads-up on the need to use the green synthetic power steering fluid. I stop by the dealer tomorrow and pick some up. I'm surprised that Volvo didn't send out a correction on the fluid need to put in the owners manual. I had a 1999 cadilllac STS that had a change. Got a correction in the mail with stickem on the back that you could put put right over the original page in the book. Volvo should consider doing the same thing, since I doubt most car owners frequent a great site like this. Again thanks for the help.
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 04:00 AM
If it ends up being the pump why not get a rebuilt one.. Less than 1/2 price of a new one. Find a cheaper mechanic. Should be a 2 hour charge to replace it.
Volvo doesnt make their own pumps. They are made by GM
Volvo doesnt make their own pumps. They are made by GM
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Posted 15 February 2005 - 03:21 AM
QUOTE(MikeH @ Feb 14 2005, 12:00 AM)
Volvo doesnt make their own pumps. They are made by GM
I always got a kick out of that...kinda like the blower motors in the 7 series (GM) and the auto tranny in the BMW 5 series...borrowing parts, yet they're in competition for new car sales.
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Posted 15 February 2005 - 03:58 AM
I have a whinning noise coming from my engine, and I am thinking it may be the pump. ya think the green fluid would help me out? 96 855T
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Posted 15 February 2005 - 12:08 PM
99 and up have a seperate fluid reservior. It is possible that the internal tube in the reservior that directs the return fluid from the rack has come off. This will cause aerated fluid and foaming/noise. Look inside the reservior with the engine running. If you can see the fluid shooting across the reservior rather than being directed downward, you need a reservior. 45 bucks at the dealer.
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 01:26 PM
I was just looking in my service manual and says that special tools are required to remove the reservoir from the pump. I have not taken it apart yet, are there any tips, and what special tool is required?
And where do I get some of the green ATF fluid?
And where do I get some of the green ATF fluid?
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 02:36 PM
QUOTE(Johnnie855T @ Feb 14 2005, 09:58 PM)
I have a whinning noise coming from my engine, and I am thinking it may be the pump. ya think the green fluid would help me out? 96 855T
...Would there be a chance that the system is leaking and sucking in air?
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Posted 23 February 2005 - 07:02 PM
I think that it may be leaking but not a whole lot. I really haven't had the time to pin point the leak yet.
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QUOTE(Bay 13 Admin @ Feb 13 2005, 11:02 AM)
most common cause of foam in the res is that the owner didn't put the green synthetic power steering fluid in the car. Second is that the level is too low and should be topped up. and Lastly the pump could be bad.
Hello I am New in here..
Can someone point out the procedures to change the steering fluid please!
thx
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Posted 01 March 2005 - 07:09 AM
1.get something to take out the fluid (turkey baster, syringe )
2.suck out the fluid (right out of the cap)
3.replace with Synthetic ATF (automatic transmission fluid, either Type F or Dextron III)
4.turn on car, turn wheels back and forth 5 times
repeat all 4 steps about 4-5 times and you're done
2.suck out the fluid (right out of the cap)
3.replace with Synthetic ATF (automatic transmission fluid, either Type F or Dextron III)
4.turn on car, turn wheels back and forth 5 times
repeat all 4 steps about 4-5 times and you're done
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Posted 01 March 2005 - 10:46 PM
QUOTE(anitanium @ Mar 1 2005, 12:09 AM)
1.get something to take out the fluid (turkey baster, syringe )
2.suck out the fluid (right out of the cap)
3.replace with Synthetic ATF (automatic transmission fluid, either Type F or Dextron III)
4.turn on car, turn wheels back and forth 5 times
repeat all 4 steps about 4-5 times and you're done
2.suck out the fluid (right out of the cap)
3.replace with Synthetic ATF (automatic transmission fluid, either Type F or Dextron III)
4.turn on car, turn wheels back and forth 5 times
repeat all 4 steps about 4-5 times and you're done
I have a question. Is that a drain plug for the power steering fluid to drain all the fluid out since my car's power steering fluid changes the color to brown...
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