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9 minutes ago, flyfishing3 said:

I feel that way about anybody that votes for a GOP candidate, but that's my problem.   

 

in the past maybe not....this time around absolutely. Religion is playing way too big of a role in this election and it's pissing me off 

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8 hours ago, flyfishing3 said:

I feel that way about anybody that votes for a GOP candidate, but that's my problem.   

You're just about as bigoted as they are Mike. :wink:

8 hours ago, Kevin. said:

 

in the past maybe not....this time around absolutely. Religion is playing way too big of a role in this election and it's pissing me off 

When has religion not played a big role in politics since you were alive Kevin?  The Religious Right rose to strength in the 1970s before you were even born.

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38 minutes ago, Burn-E said:

When has religion not played a big role in politics since you were alive Kevin?  The Religious Right rose to strength in the 1970s before you were even born.

He said it's too much, not that it's new. It certainly seems like it is reaching peak performance in my lifetime. Granted, my observational time for politics isn't very long.

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6 hours ago, Burn-E said:

And I'm seriously asking why this year? Their influence has actually waned since ,2000.

Are you agreeing that it seems like it's peaking this cycle, and asking why, since you think religious right's voter power is past-peak?

If so, death-roll? That's the vibe I get, but tough to put data on it. I imagine the planning meeting: 'Older voters seem to show up if you pander hard enough. So more of the old, and squeeze harder this time.' The newest generation(s) seem really tired of their shit, religion is dropping at a pretty high rate, and they seem to question nearly every moral-panic item the oldest generation clings to.

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seems like all the candidates have something to say about their religious affiliations 

 

Ben Carson wants to apply biblical law, others have been quoted wanting to repeal laws because they don't "line up with biblical idealisms"

 

why is it so hard to separate church and state :rolleyes: 

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Alden, I'm saying it isn't peaking.  It peaked in 2000.  The religious right has been losing ground ever since.  And Kevin, basically every candidate makes some statement on their faith every cycle because those marginal voters (both young and old) that 2-10% who actually matter in a handful of key States where the real decision making happens, they care about a candidate's faith.

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On 12/23/2015 at 11:43 AM, Kevin. said:

seems like all the candidates have something to say about their religious affiliations 

 

Ben Carson wants to apply biblical law, others have been quoted wanting to repeal laws because they don't "line up with biblical idealisms"

 

why is it so hard to separate church and state :rolleyes: 

I may be wrong, but I think you're playing too much into what's going on vs what is actually going on.  Two different things.

They say many things just to appeal to certain people, but what they say in reality is never going to happen.  It just sounds good and people buy into it.  All of the "issues" aren't really issues anyway, it's just a means to divide so people pick sides.  All of the mainstream media promotes this, that's why I've been telling you to stop reading all of the same regurgitated far-left "news".  I'd say the same to somebody that was a fan of all the far-right bullshit also.  

Of course, not everybody cares or is passionate about the same things.   Imagine if all the news you read was actually credible and non-biased how different things would be. 

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You're not trying very hard if you can't find middle of the ground news.  Quit watching cable TV with Mike.

Washington Post (more conservative these days under Bezos ownership), Five Thirty Eight (leans left but their lean is stated), Reuters and the Economist are the best sites.  Add in those with a known bias that allows you to capture your own balance:  Wall Street Journal, NPR, New York Times. Other key sites like RollingStone, the Atlantic and the Brookings Institution and the Pew Research Center balance that all out.

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1 hour ago, Burn-E said:

You're not trying very hard if you can't find middle of the ground news.  Quit watching cable TV with Mike.

Washington Post (more conservative these days under Bezos ownership), Five Thirty Eight (leans left but their lean is stated), Reuters and the Economist are the best sites.  Add in those with a known bias that allows you to capture your own balance:  Wall Street Journal, NPR, New York Times. Other key sites like RollingStone, the Atlantic and the Brookings Institution and the Pew Research Center balance that all out.

 

fun fact: I don't have cable

 

I literally use news.google for all of my news

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Good decision Kevin on not having cable.  If my wife wasn't addicted to a few programs I would probably ditch it as well.

I use news.google as a starting point for some of the news I read as well.  But as a news aggregator it is woefully inadequate and biased based on:

1. What you say you're interested in

2. The news articles AND the news sources you click on / search for

It keeps throwing things at me that I have no interest in and I've yet to figure out how to really narrow it down to the exact content I want to see.  I set subjects and it keeps throwing strange curve balls at me.

That's why I recommended looking beyond whatever source you're using on a regular basis.  For example, I have friends on Facebook who come from all sides of the political spectrum including some in Europe (true Socialists, not the Bernie pseudo socialists) - there are a number of them whose politics are appalling to me but I stay connected with them because their posts and the articles they share offer me a view into differing attitudes so I can keep a balanced perspective and stay out of the echo chamber the internet can easily become.

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23 hours ago, Burn-E said:

It keeps throwing things at me that I have no interest in and I've yet to figure out how to really narrow it down to the exact content I want to see.  I set subjects and it keeps throwing strange curve balls at me.

I think Google News still serves the masses - who consume all kinds of useless news. So it can be decent, but you'll still get the stuff that barely qualifies as news. I use it occasionally, though I've never tried to configure it, or watched carefully what shows up.

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