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[james.rollins]

Hello All:
Is it safe to say that the stock S70 T5 can kill a stock GTI--Passat 1.8T or VR6. Have not had the chance to find out first hand, but I think the stock 1.8T has less then 200HP and the VR6 180HP? Although the W8 engine has (only) about 280HP.

-James
Stock '98 S70 T5
Hot Rod '91 945T

[turbor850]

I think you can beat them, kill them is another story . . .

[schaff70]

Last fall some guy came was driving pretty past on the hwy coming home from work in a Jetta 1.8t. IIRC, from about 65 or so I just left him behind me when I got on it. Slowed down & he came flying up behind me. Just before he went to pass I floored it, pulled along side him, then walked away up to about 110 or so. That was before I got shocks/springs & chip, completely stock.

[mAydAy]

VW uses the 1.8t pretty widely. I imagine a GTi is faster than a 1.8t Jetta....
They aren't that slow stock, but I know with less than $2500 worth of stuff a GTi can run 11's......

[VS Legend]

The following VWs are the ones that (from my personal experience for most of them, though a few like the R32 I've obviously never had a chance to take on) when they are stock could make a good race w/ an Stock S70 T5 depending on the coniditions (from a roll/standstill, highway speeds or low speeds, weather conditions and so on, manual/AT):

VW Golf R32, 237hp, 1/4 in high 14s @ 95-99mph
VW Corrado VR6, 190hp, 1/4 in the low 15s @ 90-95mph
VW Toureg V10, 313hp, 1/4 in the low 15s @ 89-94mph
VW Golf V6 4Motion, 204hp, 1/4 in the low 15s @ 90-94mph*
New VW GTI 1.8T, 180hp, 1/4 in the low 15s @ 90-95mph***
Old VW Golf VR6, 174hp, 1/4 in the high 15s @ 85-95mph*
VW Passat W8, 271hp, 1/4 in the very high 15s/low 16s @ under 90 mph (Automatic)
VW Golf 2.3 V5, 170hp, 1/4 in the very high 15s/low 16s @ under 90 mph*


If I put a * next to it it means a LOT of em are modded around here, so watch out. :wink:

PS - If you find quarter mile times that don't fit in there let me know kindly, I'm sure there are some I didn't look at when I was searching around. But I have raced stock for stock everything but the toureg and the R32 and the W8, and every time it was close. Now, they don't even stand a chance.

And BTW - like doug said the chipped + exhausted 1.8Ts make huge improvements, the problem stock is most of the power is up in the top of the rpm band. that band can be shifted a bit for well under a grand. That said the passat is not gonna have so much of a chance stock, but in theory the GTI might hold up if you're having a bad day. You can see the old VW Golf VR6 above, the only big difference between that one and the new one is the paltform. The old VW GTI (and golf?) shared the Audi A3 platform. The new VW GTI is on the A4 platform. Other than that the new ones have a bit more low end torque and feel quicker, but they don't perform any better in straight line situations. Most of the improvements were made to the suspension/chassis.

Edited by Legend854T5R, 03 April 2004 - 06:37 PM.

[james.rollins]

that W8 is pretty sad...low 16's. maybe its the 4-motion slowing it down.

[VS Legend]

you dont have ANY 1.8T's on your list :-P

Whoops. Fixed it.

And as a note, VW estimates 4Motion adds .3 seconds to any 0-60 or 1/4 mile, I forget which.

Edited by Legend854T5R, 02 April 2004 - 11:04 PM.

[Overboost850]

Stock, I walked my boss' chipped Wolfsburg 1.8T Jetta. His manual got the jump on me but by 30-35mph I was bout half a car and then kept pulling hard. Not sure what chip he had but I know some are mor aggressive than others and have had some issues beating modded 1.8T Golf GTIs and the like in my current state. SO look out.

[AutoX47]

VW corrado is a fun car! I test drove one and blew out the front left tire I was having such a good time. If it was italian, english or swedish I would have bought it.

[VS Legend]

VW corrado

This reminds me: red rotors anyone?

[AutoX47]

doesn't get any better than that

[Karlson]

w8?

are u sure?

i was coming back from college last week, and some old guy was driving it. and From 55 to 90 that guy was FAST. ofcoruse i got him , but low 16s. I dont think so

[VS Legend]

i was coming back from college last week, and some old guy was driving it. and From 55 to 90 that guy was FAST.  ofcoruse i got him , but low 16s.  I dont think so

Ya, I was talking about w/ the AT there, sorry. MTs run mid 15s, but I've never raced one.

[kenhoeve]

stock for stock the T5 wins easily. done that. 1.8T with chip and exhaust puts it pretty even with the stock T5. chip the T5 and you easily beat the 1.8T with chip and exhaust. done that.

[VS Legend]

1.8T with chip and exhaust puts it pretty even with the stock T5.

Err I got raped by a 1.8T w/ chip and exhaust when I was stock from a stand still. Sorry.

[deafdano]

I can say a t5 stock vs a 1.8t stock, the volvo will win. My buddy has one and we did many side by sides on the highway just for fun. Both of us have manuals transmissions. We would both put in in 3rd at around 60 and stomp it. By the time I'd go to fourth, I generally have a car on him. Although, I know someone else with one with full exhaust chip and a k&n and it runs 14 flat in the 1/4.

[kenhoeve]

1.8T with chip and exhaust puts it pretty even with the stock T5.

Err I got raped by a 1.8T w/ chip and exhaust when I was stock from a stand still. Sorry.

Raped? You had, or have, 240hp stock. So how many hp does a chip and exhaust give a 1.8T?

14 flat with chip and exhaust? Wow. I've driven a new one many times with chip and exhaust, and it definitely doesn't do 14 flat. It has 2.5" full through with dual tips, and a RICA chip. Maybe a bigger exhaust helps. Powerband is way narrow, due to the small turbo I've guessed. It just loses pull above 4.5k.