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[turbor850]

Just wondering what everyone is thinking on this . . . . I see a lot of Kerry and a lot of Bush voters. . . .

[Geoff]

BUSH CAN SUCK MY @%$^!

[Che'_Moderator]

Wow. Its like an entire signature of hippy thoughts.



HPT Joes car runs 11s, i dont care what anyone says, ive seen it in person, no timeslip necessary!

Legends car beat me in a race, i woulda won but my goddamn lawnmower ran outta gas.

Volvos own all other cars, i know this because when i race geo metros, civics and other really fast cars, i usually win, unless they have VTEC or NAWZ!!!

[kenhoeve]

Now I don't think Kerry is perfect, but as this one guy named Paine or something said in this crazy little book called "Common Sense" or something, sometimes you just have to choose the "lesser of the two evils".

Democracy Now- Bush Family of Fibbers

Bush Crime Family

There's some fun reading for ya's.

[gdizzle]

George Bush is a crook????

[JESSEXC]

Bush Crime Family

There's some fun reading for ya's.

I have cousins on my fathers side that will kill you in a heart beat! One is in prison for murder and a other killed.(drug deal gone bad) Does that make me a evil person? Part of a crime family? NO!

[kenhoeve]

George Bush is a crook????  

Yes, desertion is a federal crime with no statute of limitations. Not to mention his shady oil ventures and FCC filings.

[J0E]

Wow. Its like an entire signature of hippy thoughts.

He has a similar theme in the entire sig...it's a joke.

[AutoX47]

I'm conservative. I don't know if I would call myself republican. There are things wrong with George W but I would much rather see him in office than mr kerry (i refuse to give him caps)

[VS Legend]

HPT Joes car runs 11s, i dont care what anyone says, ive seen it in person, no timeslip necessary!

Legends car beat me in a race, i woulda won but my goddamn lawnmower ran outta gas.

I'm not sure which is funnier...

but I am sure you were spraying, whether you admit to it or not.

Bush all the way, Kerry flip flops like a little bitch.

[jross]

I think I'll preface this with: I hate both Bush and Kerry. That being said, I don't want to see any flames about how I'm affiliated with either party, or unfairly attacking a candiate.
That being said, I really hope Bush loses this election. I don't care to who at this point, just so long as he's out of the White House. Why? Of all the people who have occupied the Office of the President of the United States of America, he is probably the worst. He has consistantly lied to the American people, misled the public, and has done nothing good for how other countries see us. His term of office has brought about some of the greatest reductions in civil liberties to occur in the history of our country, and I can't see it getting any better if he somehow gets back into office.
His attacks on labor laws and the enviornment are absolutely disgraceful -- and I say that as a small-business owner, a member of the segment that his "reforms" were meant to help as the expense of common Americans everywhere. This alone would be, for me, as good a reason to remove him from office as any. However, this pales in comparison to the lies he has told, and the cost incurred by the everyday, flesh-and-blood members of the Armed Services, and by normal, everyday civilians. There is a mounting wave of evidence that suggests that the administration had information about the Twin Towers bombing before it happened, but did nothing, costing untold thousands of deaths. In and of itself, that is disgraceful. The response of the Bush administration, to attack and overthrow the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the calamity this has caused in those countries, is unforgivable. Afghanistan is no better off now, with the bickering of warlord factions, than it was under the Taliban; in fact, it's getting measurably worse. Iraq has spiralled out of control, to the point that as of yesterday morning, the casualty count of American soldiers in Iraq for the month of April surpassed the casualty count of the entire "invasion" up to the current year. Compounding this is the fact that the administration seems hell-bent on turning "control" of Iraq back to a coalition government by some arbitrary date, which is rapidly approaching; of course, that government still hasn't been formed. The question now becomes, what will be left to hand over?
Compounding his military expansionism is the so-called "Universal Service Act", which is something that I suspect will directly affect everyone on this board if passed. The Act is a twin bills S 89 and HR 163, and will 1) reinstate the draft, 2) make service manditory, regardless of sex and 3) require a term of service from all citizens ages 18 to 26. Several other changes have been made; if you are selected for duty while in college, your military terms begins at the end of your then-current quarter/semester, unless it's your senior year, in which case you will be first allowed to graduate. Minimum service is 2 years, which can be arbitrarily extended by Executive Order -- which has already occured to keep combat troops in Iraq months after they were scheduled to be rotated back.
The Bush Administration has shown a shocking disregard for human life, both that of our citizens and the citizens of countries we feel we have the right to invade. His continual blending of church and state is something that belongs far, far in the past. The crimes he has perpetuated on our country are unmatched by any previous individual or administration. From the moment he first used the phrase "You are for me, or you are against me", he should have been removed from office.

With that being said, I can't be sure Kerry will be any better. He has the potential, which is almost enough for my vote at this point. What sickens me is this perpetual "evil of two lessers". Democracy is not a two party system. We are the only "democracy" in the world to have only two parties. A true democracy does not allow for professional politicians, but instead drafts citizens into civil service for short terms, running the beaurocracy almost like the military. This would be the most ideal solution, but even having multiple parties would be a great start.

I don't expect everyone here to agree with me; I realize alot of you probably won't. I'm just stating what I feel. I've got alot of family already in Iraq, so maybe it just hits me different that it does everyone else, I don't know. I'm sure alot of people will flame me for what I think, but I'm not really one to care. In my eyes, Bush is the Stalin or Pol Pot of our country; his only saving grace is he hasn't started executing political prisoners (though he seems to try and execute just about everyone else, included mentally deficient prisoners).


[edit: I forgot to add, the Selective Service has already worked to fill most of the draft board slots, and if the Universal Service Act passes, the infrastructure is already in place to implement it by Spring 2005.]

Edited by jross, 29 April 2004 - 02:29 AM.

[ontheheel]

i can't stand kerry...too much of a phony massachusetts liberal politician for me (a texas conservative who hates politicians).

Bush/Cheney 04

[kenhoeve]

werd jross. couldn't agree more on the two party point. our democracy is a joke.

go pick up "Dude Where's My Country". a very fun read.

and nobody give me this "moore is a quack" business. until you've read the book, zip it mister.

[VS Legend]

our democracy is a joke.

do we even want to get into the whole "the best example of democracy is a linch mob" thing? or how about the fact that we aren't technically a democracy and it's just used as a major buzzword these days?

[Che'_Moderator]

the casualty count of American soldiers in Iraq for the month of April surpassed the casualty count of the entire "invasion" up to the current year.

War's hell. Should we pull our troops now and leave the people high and dry? Then it would be like Nam. As for death tolls, they are very very low for any "conflict". Villages loose more in a day than we have lost in the year, its sad and out troops are facing hell right now, but thats life in our world. Say what you will Bush is a better war time president. Kerry may do better if we were not at war but we are. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

[jross]

I'll take a civilian over a deserter. Which puts Kerry over Bush, for me.

[freeskier8585]

you guys forget kerry called his fellow soldiers criminals after the war and defaced medals he won, also crimes, fact is both suck, no one is perfect (save joe) . Also we have never been/tried to be a democracy, we are a republic through and through

[mrmandmman]

go pick up "Dude Where's My Country".  a very fun read.

That book is quite interesting... although it has some parts that are a little excessive..

oh and i stole your signiture sign...

[J0E]

Look what I started.