Fate Of The Silver Evolve Car.


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A few people are saying "wait to hear both sides of the story" , but the fact that the car was beat on by mag editors without his permission is enough for me. If I was having my truck worked on at a shop, and they threw the keys to someone to beat the hell out of it. There is NO way I would pay for it. They would eat the parts/labor and I would be seeing them in court. Put yourself in his shoes. Its just not right for this to have happened. I feel for you Matt, hope everything works out. :tup:

Do you know for sure he did not giver permissions for the magazines to drive it?

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That still doesn't mean we know for sure. His word against Evolves.

only a signed doccument would hold up so thats evolves fault if they didn't get it in writing

but like it was said i doubt we'll hear a side of their story till its settled, hopefully it can be done outside of court but who knows at this point

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wow, i would think, as as one of the foremost tuners for Volvos, you would want to fix this issue quickly and without any bad press. But on the other hand, i would also want the folks on VS to know our side of the story (beacuse VS is the know all/end all for Volvo performance). They could at least be trying to contact Matt and say that they are looking into options for him. Not just take his $16k and say "See You, man. Good luck with it." I wonder how many customers they have that drop that kind of money with them on a regular basis?

Good luck, Matt. keep us posted.

Matt - sign up buddy. Membership is free.

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I have no doubts the sleeves cracked from high cylinder temp not because of power.

-Fishey

(Sorry for bringing a post back from the dead)

Power Cracking

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Also, notice in the evolve car picture that the cracks are only found between the cylinders (hottest point) not at the weakest point of the block (being the sides away from the Siamesed cylinders). Then you can also see that the tops of the sleeves the metal looks as if it got very hot. I would really like to see a picture of the head and the valves removed. I would have to say the failure from what I can see is caused by improper tuning causeing to much heat!

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I have no doubts the sleeves cracked from high cylinder temp not because of power.

-Fishey

(Sorry for bringing a post back from the dead)

Nah. Gonna have to disagree. Was probably some ping in there wish is heat related but no matter how cool you keep this block it will crack at the tops from either high RPM or high HP. Seen it happen too many times. A few times on vehicles with pretty hard core after market upgrades.

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Nah. Gonna have to disagree. Was probably some ping in there wish is heat related but no matter how cool you keep this block it will crack at the tops from either high RPM or high HP. Seen it happen too many times. A few times on vehicles with pretty hard core after market upgrades.

:unsure: Oh snap!

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I'm part of the "wait-and-see" group but one thing bothers me- Why didn't/won't Evolve give him the car they had promised him? It seems that a deal like that would be clear enough to both sides.

I just don't feel I am getting the whole story simply because Evolve is a big, reputable outfit (to the extent I've known them which is not substantial). Their behaviour here is inconsistent with that repute. This issue has nothing but perilous downside for them.

I strongly suspect there exists a compelling reason that Evolve won't simply sink the relatively moderate amount money in to complete the deal. A reason we aren't privy too.

Sure the car is nice, buit its not outrageously nice. It's not a horrific amount of money, especially with the loads of bad PR that could come from this.

Out of curiosity, I will be watching and waiting, but until then I'm not going waste another second of my time analyzing the info I've been given.

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Power Cracking

329841_89_full.jpg

Also, notice in the evolve car picture that the cracks are only found between the cylinders (hottest point) not at the weakest point of the block (being the sides away from the Siamesed cylinders). Then you can also see that the tops of the sleeves the metal looks as if it got very hot. I would really like to see a picture of the head and the valves removed. I would have to say the failure from what I can see is caused by improper tuning causeing to much heat!

I'd agree, only because the ones I've seen like the Evolve car were over heated. The temp doesn't even have to be of the piston melting level to kill the block.

I'd expect to see failure at the thrust side of the cylinders if it were just too much power. Anyone melt a piston in one of these aluminum blocks? Or break a ring land from detonation? Does the block EVER survive that?

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I'd agree, only because the ones I've seen like the Evolve car were over heated. The temp doesn't even have to be of the piston melting level to kill the block.

I'd expect to see failure at the thrust side of the cylinders if it were just too much power. Anyone melt a piston in one of these aluminum blocks? Or break a ring land from detonation? Does the block EVER survive that?

Talked to several people state side and over seas who have tested several blocks to destruction. Apparently a harmonics issue comes into play at very high RPM. Sounds kind of like an odd problem for anything designed by "professionals" but several unrelated companies haver relayed the same approximate info. IN all their photos the blocks had failed in about the same way?

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