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[RAzOR]

Government

I used to be very supportive of the President and believed in the US Government as a decent system and the Two-Political Party system as sufficient. I know no longer believe much of what I did that there exists a functioning, effective federal government AND I am more and more convinced very powerful interests operate below the surface, by which the now dysfunctional mainstream media can not and will not report on. The healthcare crisis and social security needs fixing but so far no one with and spine and clout has come forward. So I feel despair, that without a third party, or a clean sweep on the hill and the White House, this country is going to continue to be leaderless and consequently, continue to slip.

American Society

What is it to be an American? I don't know anymore. We are apparently borderless. The middle class is straining. The rich have gotten richer by 40% over the past 15 years while the middle class grew their wealth by 7%. Kids watch more TV than ever. Parents don't seem to care in larger numbers. There is no real right and wrong. And you are not allowed to be intolerant which means your not allowed to believe what might offend others. You may not offend others. Global warming is a religeous science if you just look at most OTHER historical temperature records and CO2/temperature trends from ice cores but we are not allowed to believe otherwise and are not educated to question or be able to question anymore. We are not really educated very well which makes it harder to figure out just how F'd we are. And we are just too busy with texting, porn, movies, starbucks, work and Paris Hilton to really think about a War on Terror and how it should be run. And oh yeah, porn is political speech protected as a first amendment right.

Debt

Our governement has put us collectively in debt of $8,000,000,000,000. That's TRILLION. By 300 million Americans, and every man, woman, child here owes $26,500 just to pay back our governments loans, what they have already spent. And our elected leaders do not see a problem with this and continue to borrow. Meanwhile social security needs a huge bailout, healthcare looms.

I'm not up for debating anyone, just wanna know...

How Screwed do you think we are today?

[Michael V70T5]

lol had to pick nearly all the multiple choice answers.

[flyfishing3]

i was definitely behind bush for awhile. i'm getting really concerned about our economy. don't give me the market is growing crap.

housing is plumeting, interest rates need to increase, forclosers/bankruptcy, set all time records in the first quarter this year.credit card debt is out of control. i lean right in terms of economics and things don't look good for the next 12 months.

my first dictator choice was very difficult.

mike

[Zaitz]

1. Not as much as you think

2. It will happen through normal changes in leadership

3. Border
War on Terror
Goverment Corruption

[Fudge_Brownie]

I didn't pay attention to the fact it was check boxes and not radios I wanted to vote for more.

I said very screwed. Not just cause of the typical bush crap, but because I feel the government is gonna go extremely liberal after this presidency. Not liberal bashing, just saying its gonna go on the extreme side of things. Things will even out some day... but in time. Picked government corruption because well, its ridiculous. Private party interests and $$$.

[97Volvo850GLT]

As long as China keeps buying US Govt debt we'll all be ok

[Yellow95]

Deficit was here LONG before Bush and will be here long after you and I are dead.

Gary

[theForgottenone]

Deficit was here LONG before Bush and will be here long after you and I are dead.

Gary

You forgot the mention the amount of deficit pre-Bush and after Bush....the X of debt increased

[c70turbo5]

The thing about america is that all of the best are here. yeah we have are problems and F bush we can say that or whatever... doesn't do a thing.

A.) I think the most important thing we need to not forget is that every one is human just with different beliefs cultures and background thats what is so great about our country.

B.) Everyone is worried about mexicans... why there have always been mexicans? Blacks were the first mexicans, Chinese, europeans everyone was cheap labor when they immigrated origionally. People complain that "they took our jobs" yeah but they keep our economy competitive with the world market... it's either mexicans in the U.S. or chinese or india overseas doing work.

C.) Global warming... most we can do is educate our kids, so they can furthor our attempts to save the earth in the future besides reducing carbon emission. I had a manager that thought H20 emissions on a hydrogen car was a greenhouse gas.

[fastboy]

HAHA... YOU GUYS ARE SOOOOOOOO SCREWED!

[Yellow95]

You forgot the mention the amount of deficit pre-Bush and after Bush....the X of debt increased

As it has for EVERY president since the depression. You liberals really need to take the blinders off.

Gary

[theForgottenone]

As it has for EVERY president since the depression. You liberals really need to take the blinders off.

Gary

See the trend during Bush Sr and Jr

National Debt Trending

[starfish]

Here are a couple of questions for the liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, dumdocrats and the like I'd like answers to.

1. Focusing on paying off government debt will personally get me where?

2. Electing government officials who are not actively invoking spending cuts will increase what for me?

3. Not funding the military in war time against a brutal undistracted determined enemy will make me what?

4. What effect on me as the consumer and/or the overall economy have by raising taxes?

Where in the article that "theForgottenone" linked to is there a mention or chart of revenue growth or decline after the Bush tax cut.

[TM850R]

I like to be completely oblivious as to what state our country is in. I just work, eat and sleep. Seems like the tourism/entertainment industries are doing just fine since I still have my jobs.

[Zulu]

Here are a couple of questions for the liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, dumdocrats and the like I'd like answers to.

1. Focusing on paying off government debt will personally get me where?

2. Electing government officials who are not actively invoking spending cuts will increase what for me?

3. Not funding the military in war time against a brutal undistracted determined enemy will make me what?

4. What effect on me as the consumer and/or the overall economy have by raising taxes?

Where in the article that "theForgottenone" linked to is there a mention or chart of revenue growth or decline after the Bush tax cut.

Decline :/ http://www.cbpp.org/7-12-05bud.htm

[Yellow95]

Decline :/ http://www.cbpp.org/7-12-05bud.htm

I knew you leaned to the left. Damn, I should be a profiler.

Gary

[Jena]

B.) Everyone is worried about mexicans... why there have always been mexicans? Blacks were the first mexicans, Chinese, europeans everyone was cheap labor when they immigrated origionally. People complain that "they took our jobs" yeah but they keep our economy competitive with the world market... it's either mexicans in the U.S. or chinese or india overseas doing work.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement at all.

As far as black people go, it's not like they came here 'took our jobs' pocketed a lot of untaxed money to send back to their homeland to fund bringing more of them over here to work jobs we don't want for money they don't pay taxes on.

I'm failing to see how you can relate the two. And for that matter, the Chinese, Europeans, etc as well. I also don't see how they are keeping our economy competitive, please explain.

The way I see it, they need to stop coming here... period. We need to deport all the ones that are here (illegally) back to wherever they came from, put up a massive boarder control, and only let back in those that have gone through proper channels to become US citizens. I don't have issues with anyone being an American, what I do have issues with however, is thousands of illegal aliens not paying taxes.

If they're going to be here, live on American soil, work American jobs, then they should pay American taxes... and speak English.

[gdizzle]

I'm not sure I agree with this statement at all.

As far as black people go, it's not like they came here 'took our jobs' pocketed a lot of untaxed money to send back to their homeland to fund bringing more of them over here to work jobs we don't want for money they don't pay taxes on.

I'm failing to see how you can relate the two. And for that matter, the Chinese, Europeans, etc as well. I also don't see how they are keeping our economy competitive, please explain.

The way I see it, they need to stop coming here... period. We need to deport all the ones that are here (illegally) back to wherever they came from, put up a massive boarder control, and only let back in those that have gone through proper channels to become US citizens. I don't have issues with anyone being an American, what I do have issues with however, is thousands of illegal aliens not paying taxes.

If they're going to be here, live on American soil, work American jobs, then they should pay American taxes... and speak English.

[Zulu]

I knew you leaned to the left. Damn, I should be a profiler.

Gary

Must be all the backing up with facts that gave it away and how was that link left!?

Edited by ZuluKingCrowned, 30 July 2007 - 07:42 PM.

[c70turbo5]

I'm not sure I agree with this statement at all.

As far as black people go, it's not like they came here 'took our jobs' pocketed a lot of untaxed money to send back to their homeland to fund bringing more of them over here to work jobs we don't want for money they don't pay taxes on.

I'm failing to see how you can relate the two. And for that matter, the Chinese, Europeans, etc as well. I also don't see how they are keeping our economy competitive, please explain.

The way I see it, they need to stop coming here... period. We need to deport all the ones that are here (illegally) back to wherever they came from, put up a massive boarder control, and only let back in those that have gone through proper channels to become US citizens. I don't have issues with anyone being an American, what I do have issues with however, is thousands of illegal aliens not paying taxes.

If they're going to be here, live on American soil, work American jobs, then they should pay American taxes... and speak English.

all i was sayin is that we were all immigrants in a crappy place and our predecessors wanted to go somwhere better to make a good life. and honestly If a mexican that jumped a fence and barely speaks english comes and takes my job. then there is somethin wrong with me.

and i'll explain the economic theory behind the competitive economy:

Lets say there are no cheap mexican workers, only u.s citizens that are required by law to have insurance, a certain wage, vacation etc... what this does is drive up the cost of manufacturing any givin product. As a result more people have more money because there are more entry level jobs and more people getting paid. Although this same effect causes price inflation due to the higher cost of manufaturing and the increased demand (supply curve doesn't change.) although we can control some of this inflation by implementing various monetary fiscal policies by lowering interest rates and things like that. but the only problem is that incoming travel decreases because of the inflated prices along with exports. what this also will do is increase American spending in other countries we will travel more and spend our money where the exchange rate is beneficial. which equals less in U.S. circulation leading to not just a decline in our international economy but also our domestic.

Economics is all theory, this is just my analysis of it. all i say is that we balance things out and don't forget everyone is human. Honestly the trade-off for increased violence due to the low income people coming in through our borders is a very understandable thing to be upset about. I think a better solution than making a "taller fence" is how can we help our neighbors have a strong government and economy with as little corruption as possible? that way there would be no reason to come to America for any reason but travel.

Edited by c70turbo5, 30 July 2007 - 11:36 PM.