Pops Racer

Obama or Hillary

I always wanted to live when a Pres gets assisnated.

And I think they both will do a much better job , then the crappy old white guys we have been stuck with forever.

country is going in the crapper we need change and a major one at that.

I would never vote , if I voted in the first place for a old white guy.

Dude, last time I checked Bubba is an old white cracker, and Hillary is an old white hag.

Major General Jerry Curry. African-American, native Indian, war hero. But he'll never win, he makes too much sense. Same for Paul.

Barry Goldwater FTW! :D

Again, ethincity is one's cultural heritage, or how one defines themself. Race is how society defines the individual, based solely by the color of their skin. Ethinicity is chosen by the individual, but race is prescribed. My whole point is, if you are "white" you get to choose your ethnicity. If you are of color, it is immediately assigned along with all the other stereotypes that are associated with it. All other things considered, the negative stereotypes associated with European ethnic heritage are for the most part in our culture viewed more positively than the negative stereotypes associated with Latino, Asian, and African-Americans. It was true then and still holds to this day. America, or any country, does not give absolute equal rights to all its people.

Please don't take me wrong, and part of this is from some tiresome debates with others about socio-economic inequities, race advantages/disadvantages, uneven political treatment, etc. But thats just a bunch of psycho-babble bullshit. You play the cards you are dealt, like everybody else. When I made reference to my 120 yr progression, you failed to see the micro picture. With in each one of those generations, we all got "out" and up. I'm not a sociologist and I don't pretend to be a scholar of any sort. The bulk of my sociology education came from paying attention to people, history and interactions, cause and effect. I grew up in a city tenament while my Mom worked to help put Dad thru school. My friends were very multi racial/multi-ethnic. Japanese, Africans, Argentinians, from my fathers school relationships. Poor Black and Puerto Rican kids from the public schools I went to. It didn't deter us, I never heard any complaints, no body fought over skin or ethnicity. Life is just that, life. I've seen race riots, I've worn the Uniform, I've been a drug addict. I tended bar in disco's and gin mills. I've had my ass beat more than I've beaten ass. I've had apartments with out heat, and worked for multi-millionaires.I've been mugged by Black kids, and bled for my Black friend when punks called him a nigger. This is not metaphorical, it's anecdotal. And it's every bodies life I've ever known. I cant debate with you, you will make me look foolish, but I can deal with it. Some people are lucky and some people make their own luck. What you do with your life is up to you. I don't know that I can contribute any more here, if I even have to this point know.

I am a bastion of common sense in a State that ignores the obvious. What I'm saying is, every "ethnicity" that has come to these shores has had barriers to overcome and done so diligently. And not made excuses why they did/did not make it. Now all of a sudden(last 40 years) that is not possible? It is much easier now to get out of the hole, education, and opportunity is boundless. If you care enough to get out, there are jobs, money to be had for college, and yes race based help programs. Don't forget skewed hiring practices. We can't even acknowledge English as a national language. The common ground Americans have had for centuries has been degraded by this individual cultural bullshit, politics has divided us along , racial, gender and economic barriers. African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Asian-Americans. I don't consider myself an Irish-American, or a Polish-American. I'm an American, period. Destruction of the family, and disregard for human life has degraded our drive and moral compass. Anything goes as long as you "feel good" about it. There are 3rd world countries that have a higher literacy rate than the U.S. Not good. Budweiser commercial? What do you mean by that? I don't watch or pay attention to commercials, and certainly would not remember them to quote if I did. My references come from DeToqueville, Friedman, and Regan. They are folks who marveled at the spirit and concept of America, it's ability to assimilate others without retribution, the infinite possibilities that people have, and most importantly they trusted/ saw the that a person, given no limits would work hard, learn the language, embrace the Bill of Rights, and help their fellow man. I never said it was perfect here, but You couldn't get me outta here for love or money. Besides, we have the best selection of toilet paper in the world . Ever go to Europe and try out their TP? OUCH! Point being, even tho Irish were white, they were still discriminated against when they came over, after being discriminated against in the U.K. Some how some way my forfathers and formommas got by and figured it out. Everyone was a minority at one time. Thats America.

Ever see a commercial that makes the white male look like an idiot? Like everyone of them! Most persecuted religion? Try Christians, and Catholics especially. Race is one thing nationality another. So I'm the most minor of minorities, Irish-Roman Catholic, Polish-Ukranian Jew, Nigerian! I have a relative who was a slave owner 6-7 generations ago, and had no wife. He fathered a child or 2 with one of his slaves. That means I have to pay restitution to myself! All this means is I can dance an Irish jig with more soul, and I put barbecue sauce on my perogies. BFD. I'm an American, my family came here and learned the language, and pulled themselve up by the boot straps. My Great Grandfathers were train men and factory workers, my Grandfathers were business men and transportation employees, my father put himself thru Yale, and my brother and I are college grads, I'm in electrical engineering, and my brother is a biologist. See the progression? It took 4 generations for my family to get out of the slums and the coal fields. I expect the same from everyone else. And if you don't think the Irish were not persecuted, read up. The Jews know slavery. Poles were murdered by the millions. Everybody has a story. The moral? GET THE FUCK OVER IT! Do the right thing, work hard, harm no one and expect nothing from others. Thats the American way. Oh yeah, buy guns and protect The Constitution.

all shnmacked up looking at giunz on line! feerry lat night,kettle one olives, gong to invade afgany rite nowe1

seriosuly officer I dont know why people keep on breaking in my house you would think after the 5 person dieing here those stinking robbers would get the picture

ahh that makes as much sense as Joe

You freak, now your the Black Plague! Cheese protobacteria indeed!

WHAT HaPPENED? Sorry about the double tap on the button. :(

seriosuly officer I dont know why people keep on breaking in my house you would think after the 5 person dieing here those stinking robbers would get the picture

ahh that makes as much sense as Joe

You freak, now your the Black Plague! Cheese protobacteria indeed! :lol:

You, sir, are the fucking moron. Trust me.

And yes...George Bush knew about Katrina and let it happen for his personal financial gain, much like 9/11...

WHOOO HOOOO, now that is funny, you are one deep thinker! It's too late boys, he's already drank the Kool-Aid. El-director convicted and hanged in the the Supreme Court of the Soviet Socialist Republic of California

On other side of the world, people are lucky to get even disaster relief item such as food even thought international relief organization already provide the material to the country government.

Glad I"m not living in Commie country anymore but some Americans are just taking things for granted too much everyday.

Much of that aide comes from the good hearts of Americans. No one gives like us, NO ONE.

It should never go to a jury.

After following the case of 2 Border Patrol Agents getting 10 yrs for shooting a scumbag in the ass, I think any injustice is possible. Lets see, I blast a "minority" in my house, and all he has is a knife and screwdriver, then some nut job DA goes after me for political gain or public pressure( Duke Lacrosse case), I get a few extra "minorities" on the jury and I am ruined. I may not go down, but it will cost me in defense and reputation. Even without a jury trial those dopes got ruined. It could and has happened. Maybe not in FL, but CA, NY, and MA are Sickle and Hammer states, and CT ain't far behind. I realize it was a different situation that we are describing, but that case is very disturbing. But as you have stated before, better to be judged by 6 than be 6ft under.

Only slug gun I own is a Mossberg Maverick. Barrel is 15 or 16" on it I forget.

Mossberg is in CT, no?. Very dependable and a great price. 500 series is an industry standard. I grew up 2 blocks from Winchester-U.S. Repeating Arms- R.I.P. No need to tout Winchester, they were it for a long time. Of course Colt is in Hartford, Ruger is 1 hour away in Bridgeport area. Marlin is in New Haven area also. Pretty ironic for such a liberal leaning state. Savage is somewhere near by also. Is the barrel rifled on the Maverick? A good shot with a rifled barrel and 3" slug loads should be able to take out the bottom of a #10 juice can at 100m. 16" provides plenty of pattern to work with however.

Tight quarters= advantage defender. I always thought that a laser dot on an intruder was like the hand of God. Maybe I will, maybe I won't, but I can at any time, from anywhere, blow you away. Good point on the trigger example. I can easily see a jury screwing you for reducing trigger pressure, or filing sears and slides, adding magazine extensions, etc. "You, with malicious intent to maim and kill, modified an already deadly weapon into a more perfect killing machine. This exhibits signs of premeditation and intent to kill, not wound or repel. 10 years and all you own as restitution!" The prosecution rests, your Honor.

Empty the magazine into the intruder. Blast the crap out of him. If you only use 1-2 rounds juries and lawyers and such will latch onto this and declare you cold, calm and calculating, inferring premeditation and intent. If you empty all your junk into him, you can at least anchor the idea that you were scared crazy out of control and the next thing you new the bad guy was bleeding on the floor, and you didn't know what happened the gun went off and then he was dead your Honor, (SOB), I didn't mean to blow his liver out (SOB), He scared meeeee( HUGE SOB)!!! Get my drift? :P

You've got to be careful with barrel length. My faith in 'their' ruler is very low. Low enough that I'd never cut below 18.5" just to be safe. In fact, when I cut my house gun down I went to 19" just to be extra safe, as it's the most likely weapon of mine to end up on an evidence table.

Denove, is your 870 stock? I went with a Knoxx Spec Ops recoil stock, synthetic forend, fiber optic sights, and sometimes a BSA red dot. Originally, I had a sling and the red dot on all the time, but now I feel it's better for the house without either. I've been meaning to get a lighted forend but all my gun budget has been going to my target rifles lately.

Good call on the barrel length. Leave no doubt about legality. Less is more in a tight situation. Slings and sights for a home defense can can be superfluous. They catch on door knobs and pajama sleaves. Laugh if you like, but at close quarters in a home, whats your longest shot ? If target is ID'd properly and rest of friendly occupants are secure, then you don't care about accuracy with a shotgun. Hopefully the sound of that badboy cocking will be enough to send 'em way. If not, 00 will help. Used to tape all that crap up on patrols, no rattles and no hang up on brush or clothing. Same logic applies here. Also why hammerless revolvers are popular as belly guns. No hammer or slide to hang up on clothing, belts or thumbs.

... sawed 12g... jesus... i'd never think to take a saw to my 870.

Your 870 is a single barrel railgun, correct? I'm talking about a $150 used double barrel side-by-side. I would never chop such a nice piece as yours. All I'm talking about is sticking my hand out my BR door, pointing down the hallway and going click-BOOM, click-BOOM... nite-nite.

"If the Model 870™ were introduced today, it would be hailed as a major advance in pump-action shotgun design - the ultimate in strength, durability, silky-smooth bind-free action, and sleek classical lines.

Yet this remarkable shotgun has been around for almost half a century, and has become the best-selling shotgun of any type in history, with over nine million made."

The best you could do is 18.25" barrel. Can't interfere with magazine or slide action, now can we?

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Choate Machine and Tool Magazine extensions rock!!

There are over 2500 laws, fed and state that can be condsidered gun control. Useless. The kid in th Nebraska incident got past security with an AK-47, not a pistol. He could have had a LAW rocket, or 10 hand grenades, no legislation was going to stop him. By the way, Chuck, CT has a CCP, not extremely hard to get. But after references, safety training, fees, background checks and other admin BS, just get a slide gun. Or chop down a double 12ga . Aren't there counties or towns in FL or GA that have mandatory ownership statutes? Crime there might be near zero. Grandma gots a .44, I'm going the next town over, know what I mean? The fact the bad guys can take a measured chance that no one is packing in that house or on that street makes a desperate individual even more brazen. Plant the seed of armed retaliation and maybe the creep moves on to an easier target. And hopefully gets blasted there!

Cliche#1- Gun control means hitting what you aim at.

"I'll deal with IAB or DA if it comes to that. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6....... "

Truer words never spoken. Chuck for president of the world.

3 Phase =

the fact of the matter is that tasers kill, a healthy human can handle a taser fine. But the majority of the time tasers are used on people who are criminals, and some of those people use drugs and it weakens them to the point were they cant take the taser. I dont mind the use of them, but i think its important to remember (in my eyes) you should only use a taser when you are willing to us your gun. Otherwise pepper spray and a baton are a much better option. The guys got a knife, then pepper spray him, if the guy is going insane then 5 officers at once tackle. Before chuck rips me apart im not saying an officer should put himself in harms way in order to maybe avoid the suspect person from being harmed, but in many cases tasers are used like pepper spray.

Dude, I worked the door at more than a couple of clubs, and a drunk or drugged customer is a nightmare. Take my word for it, if a piece of bar furniture did not take a fellow down, the taser won't kill him. Canadians, sheesh...Just kidding, man, got your back. And you can't use pepper spray in an enclosed area, especially with an HVAC sytem cranking. Everybody gets affected, bad news for business and building maintainence. Spray range is what, 10 ft? At 10ft according to Josephs chart, a cop should hit you in the ass and back and drop you with no one else affected. Plus more cops get hurt in domestic disputes than any other call. A wife would jump the cops ass if he hit her old man with a stick!! +1 for tasers. Also way more entertaining to watch on video than a spraying!

As far as clubbings, see Rodney King vids. Cops went a little overboard, but he got his ass whipped more because the baton did not take him down quickly. Plus the effects of drugs and alcohol. Oh yeah, he was also a dumb ass. Results of good baton work last way longer than a zap.

Last one. Guns should only be pulled if you are going to use it. Guns are fired in deadly force, they are not for wounding or disabling. Bullets go thru people and ricochet, and shit. Collateral damage is not acceptable.

i guess with all the pedophiles, priests, sex harassment, and sex offender registries there really aren't that many redeeming qualities. not that i care about it on VS in principle, i just don't want anyone to see it at work and get the wrong idea. and for that, i can disable images anyway.

not a huge nascar fan, however until they all drive the same car with the same box of spare parts, the same tools and the same BUDGET, cheating will go on. crooks have better and more sophisticated gear than the authorities, hackers create viruses faster than security companies can detect them, legalize dope and prostitution and save the law enforcement spending, terrorists change and adapt before we can nail'em, yadda,yadda,yadda... it used to be race for pride and braggin rights now its for UPS, Tide, and M&M running bonuses..seems it aint been the same any how since #3 crossed over the infield. punk kid drivers who aint done squat wrecking and wreeking havoc. Gordon got on the scene and started winning like #3. it took a lifetime to get those numbers. he aint been cheatin and NASCAR lookin the other way since he came to save the day? its fading fast and track owners are trying to come up with gimmicks to boost attendance-- they are losing core fans that resent the focus on new and yuppier crowds. any pub is good pub, just keep it on the front page baby!

i dig Robbie Gordon, Baja, Paris to Dakar, Lime Rock, World Rally Cross, CT RT77 from Guilford to Durham. B)