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Canada can do what it wants just as long as it keeps pumpen out guys like this

NACHO LIBRE?

I refuse to get under my bed!

NRA and Conservative. First amendment exists because of the Second amendment. Identifty with the GOP on many issues of morality. Need a third party of tight fiscal responsibility, border control, reduced gov't, and character and ethics building.

Kevin? Captian GOP in Washington? No wonder you're at VS so much!

And David, what's a conservative like you doing in Monterey?

So how many here still think that pacifism is a valid way to handle Islamic extremism?

For reference:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...-home-headlines

Add a little Swedish yellow somewhere in the logo. Looks really good, regardless.

We are being taken for a total ride. And I'm not a conspiracy type but mainly there is no competition between oil compaines. They are colluding and are killing us while we convert to hybrid and inevitably cut fuel consumption in half, while they triple the price now and hold the line so they come out on top in the end.

In 1993 a true hybrid vehicle came out and was headed for mass production by a company called Clean Air Concepts. I rode in one. Not surprisingly, no auto manufacturer would sell the startup any assembly line manufacturing equipment and the car was quietly killed by its politically influenced benefactors. Then the EV craze hit and GM released the EV1 (a truly excellent car) and Toyota and Nissan with the RAV4 and a minivan. They were not sold but leased and were greatly loved by those who had them.

It is interesting to note that no American manufacturer came out with a decent hybrid powertrain until Toyota and Honda started making a big buzz with the Prius and Civic. Sounds like a cigar smoking room deal between big US auto and big oil to me.

Curiously, during this time of EV tryouts, gas prices dropped to all time lows (depsite higher than ever consumption and the shockwaves of the first Iraq war) and stayed there while GM called in the leases and crushed the remaining EV1s and most other EVs were quietly scuttled. Now, thirteen years later we have high gas prices, hybrid vehicles (which all run on gasoline of course) and no EVs in sight. True that EVs could not refuel quickly and that limited their range, but for many, the range was enough. And now, considering technology today like that used in gas station fast passes and advances in robotics, an automated battery changout station is a realistic proposition. Pull in and lineup the car, swipe the card and out comes your battery and in goes another. What, maybe 90 seconds. Anyway, I am not expecting anything like that, at least not now that I know better.

EVs are a huge threat to not just oil, but auto manufacturers. EVs are amazingly simple with no transmissions and only one primary moving part. Very, very low maintenance. That would have clobbered the auto dealers who make a good $$ on maintenance.

No mystery here, we are under the thumb.

Now I'm the noob here. What is a classic vs a P1/P2 write-up? <squints eyes and winces in anticipation of pummeling>

Just curious, did your principle also ban the Mexican flag?

The American public is far too comfortable and lazy right to wake up. It's kinda like a drug. Mix Starbucks, movies, video games, tv, tons of affordable restauraunts and watch them suck away at that big fat pacifier.

What worries me the most is that our leaders are chronically weak, spineless, and afraid to anything to definitive. It's a bit unbelievable and very sad. This is the worst case yet.

That political correctness wins out over the very country itself that bred such stupid concept.

WHAT ARE OUR LEADERS SO AFRAID OF????

Arresting people in bars for being drunk is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time.

sorry for being a smart ass sir, i'll keep try to be more careful with my words

I love the word "smarmy".

"Bugger" is absolutely the best to use. I call people "buggers" in meetings and they think its cute. For a select few (not being called buggers), it hilarious.

did i say "abortions as birth control"? i sure didn't. i said abortions AND birth control. having an abortion is not a safe procedure... i'm assuming that after someone has had one they would turn to birth control instead. like i said, i think people should be able to make their own decisions, but i don't think abortions should be used as a regular form of birth control. i dont think abortion should be considered to be birth control since birth control is usually a practice. sorry if this doesn't make sense, i've had a few glasses of wine

A Pinot is always nice. Chianti is my favorite. What were you having?

Since the majority of aboritons are becuase the baby is simply not wanted, the practice is de facto birth control.

i had a feeling you'd say that and you're right. it would affect society, but this is one of those things where the impact on society is not as bad as drug legalization and alcohol consumption for minors. its like you said, it depends on where people draw the line, however i think a lot more people are in favor of abortions and birth control than child drinking, and drug legalization (aside from pot).

You mean "abortions as birth control". And that is something I think we will have to disagree on.

thanks for the lesson, i'll keep that in mind

You are soooo smarmy.

Seriously, the manipulation of the concept of diversity is not a lesson but rather something we all need to be vigilant of.

Honestly, SEED sounds like a crock of shit IMO. A big fat waste of money.

Well, it's not a lot of money by any means.

i hear ya!!! seeds advocates diversity and being proud of who you are

Be careful. The word DIVERSITY today means NOT TOLERATING anything that might be intolerant or insensitive of another's beliefs or feelings. Seeds is more than likely opposed to anything that would "alienate" anyone else, just as in Zimmys e-mail where they had to take down ALL stuff relating to Easter because it MIGHT offend someone.

It's totally ridiculous. So what if someone gets offended, Boo Hoo. No one's putting a gun to their head and saying "GO FIND THE EGGS, BASTARD!"

If we take it to the end game, we become a society that can't believe in anything but everything.

for the most part that statement doesn't really apply, legalization of drugs and prostitution would affect society and thus going beyond an issue for yourself. if it weren't for STDs i guess prostitution wouldn't be so bad

i dont know how you can put restrictions on suicide because once you're dead, you're dead, but if someone is that miserable, you should let them die... look at million dollar baby that poor girl wanted to die, can you blame her?

and drinking.... well you saw what happened in prohibition.

edit. not in prohibition, during prohibition

One can argue that the cancellation of millions of new babies surely affects society, just as would legalizing drug use, or child drinking or prostitution.

So when you said earlier "should be able to do what they want with their body" and then later but "wouldn't affect society" it seems that those are two conditions that are not necessarily easily reconciled. Which trumps the other? Where is the line drawn? It is not so simple when examined.

Someone using drugs only hurts themselves physically, but hurts others emotionally, financially, etc.

Prostitution hurts no one person really, only the morals and dignity of a society which can be construed to affect all in the society as a whole, their quality of life.

Its probably because they feel that killing a murderer/criminal is slightly more justifiable than killing an innocent fetus.

Keep in mind that this statement isn't fully supported by me, just shedding some light on the subject I guess.

FoS. You can't equate the termination of a multiple murderer and an unborn baby.

And Zappo, notice your statement. One of the most common and effective tactics of activists (I'm not saying you are necessarily an activist) is to "frame" their opponents position. Note how you said "Anti-Abortion" which implies that all Republicans are opposed to ALL ABORTION. Which is largely wrong. More cleverly, it leads other readers to infer Republicans are extremeists. Which is wrong. But it just makes the issue black and white, hot and cold one or the other, when in fact a good solution may lie in the middle. But since activists are usually not moderates, and they are usually the only ones heard, the issue remains stalled as neither of ther vocal, visible sides want to end up "in the middle" and the moderate middle of the roader (you and I) end up never getting a solution.

i see your point, but its not really our decision to tell other people what to do with their bodies.

i always thought planned parenthood advocated abstinence, while also providing alternatives. i guess i'll have to look into that

So that means you are in favor of removing all restrictions on drinking, drug use, prostitution and suicide?

there will always be racism, you can't stop it. It's human nature to hate.

And in a free society, it is also one's RIGHT.

SF is the gay mans capital of california(maybe world, cept france).

i live in santa cruz. the lesbian capital.

acceptance and diversity has gotten soo off the wall that people who are not culturally diverse are being pushed out of the now culturally diverse mainstream here.

that website is a joke, the people on it are a joke. they suck.

I say you stick it to e'm and bring back your avatar....

It doesn't affect me directly, but we do feel the effects of it... what gets into your country shows up in ours. I'm all for deportation and strict border control.

Oh it will, once there are 40 million illegals here and no more jobs.... <in Spanish> Hmmm we could go just a bit further north for free health care!

wow i wish i lived where you grew up, because its not like that here.

MOVE TO LA!!!

And really, whose keeping you down where you are? It can only be you. You can do anything in this country if you put your mind to it. YOU LIVE IN SAC!!! I mean come on. Do you really believe the "MAN" is out to get you?

Really?

You live 90 minutes from San Fran where Harley chicks and male hairdresser types run the game in one of the biggest cities in the west!

so are you saying that reducing the odds of pregnancy and/or infection is not responsible?

i agree, it is important for schools and parents to teach the responsibilities of sex, but if someone wants to do it, they will. people should have access to what planned parenthood has to offer.

Obviously we feel differently about sex. I think if someone wants to do it, they should have access to what they need to be safe and responsible about it.

Yes abstinence is a good campaign, but you can't say that planned parenthood isnt

Personally, I think if kids are too young to afford contraception, or too immature to use it, or just too dumb to know what it is, they should not be having sex. Sex is, of course, great and largely free for most of us (save myself) but if the participants aren't old enough to vote, drive, or drink, maybe they shouldn't be rolling the bones (ah, hah) in the baby game.

Planned Parenthood has been very effective in becoming the "go to" for contraception. They should lead the campaign for abstinance and responsible sexual conduct. From what I know of them, they do not consider abstinance realistic and hence they largely ignore it.

Contraception is fine with me as long as those who engage in sex understand the consequences of it. I am one to talk. I had a very active (but not promiscuous) single life. I waltzed through a pregnancy minefield, literally, but that's for the "Only Post Here When Yer Drunk" forum.

The factor that bothers me is that the vast majority of abortions today are after-the-fact contraception. Abortion is used far to casually for what it is. After that heart starts to beat, it sucks no matter how you look at it.

Before that, ehh...