I've been getting into American frames recently. Serrotta, Jacobs, Mikkelson, Vanilla, 3e, Don Walker, Broakland/ El Camino, etc. I prefer the older Italians. The new carbon fiber stuff looks to similar. It's so hard to see any difference in most frames. Not to mention some aren't worth anything! Tange was selling a monkeyin' expensive full carbon fiber frameset and it didn't even give a straight chain line! Besides, Steel is Real.