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MSNBC I really dunno what to think, Dubai is an extremely wealth country and they're more about capitalisim then terrorism. We may be a little bit quick to judge because they are of the United Arab Emirates. I mean the ports in question are already in control of a foreign country, Britain, ally or not the port still isn't controlled by a US company. If they're really gonna get on this subject about threats they really need to consider is having the port controlled by any foreign country a good idea. Just because it's controlled by a company that is based in a country that is allied dosen't make it non-security risk. the comapny could just as easily be controlled by terrorist or terrorist supporters as any other company. its interesting to see after all the homeland security divison this and that mumbo jumbo that our ports aren't under the watchful eye of the president who created the branch. he's willing to veto any bill that tries to stop the port purchase.

if only all those rioters would follow those teachings to the letter.

+100 :lol:

+100, but just to set the facts straight, i have no problem w/ anyone voicing an opinion, its when ppl start forcing their ideas on others i get ticked off. n the challenge thing was to prove a point. its sickening when people advocate war and have no intentions nor the courage to go into war themselves. in all honesty i think starfish is gutless n wouldn't have the guts to climb into a ring nor go to war himself even tho he advocates it so passionately. the neo-nazi facist thing was just to piss him off since he already proclaimed that he was nothing of the sort, just a staunch conservitive. i just decided to piss him off as much as he was irritating me. but again great job greenchucks, where were u for the start of this thread would of saved a lot of ppl some time ?

Lol...ill ask u this one n only time never to refer to my father again, mention him again and that'll leave no questions to your morality or even humanity. If you have an issue with me address it don't try to pin my arguments on my grief or whatever psychosis u may believe i'm suffering from. my rantings are due to my intolerance to ignorant statements and opinions u try to force upon others who dont believe your ideas. if you notice all my arguements have not to tell you that you're not entitled to your opinons. my arguements are that this war is unnecessary and our soilders need to return home. you are attempting to stifle whatever arguments i may have by trying to force me n others who don't argee with u with your own bias ideas. like i said buddy, say what u want about me i could care less, its my right to agree or disagree with a neo nazi facist such as yourself, but don't you dare talk about my family. u can disrespect me however u want, but my family isn't here to defend themselves, i haven't made any sort of comment towards ur family but i do question your up brining for your utter disregard for humanity. that is not based on your previous post but based on all your posts leading up to this. you can spout facts and figures and any other bias propoganda you wish, but that still does not change the fact that our boys and girls are dying over ther for a war so many ppl are against. you will never b able to convince me war is the only answer and deaths of thousands of soilders is justifiable. the ends never justifies the means. like i said i can play this game for as long as you have something i feel is an idiotic and foolish post, ill have something to say back. go ahead with your personal attacks, or throw more useless information at me, i've stood fast on my one and only opinion that our soilders need to come home, u've had to go around the block and back to try n convince me your idiot ideas are right. keep going, im not tired of this one bit.

lol have i ticked u off yet? cuz i feel the same way about ur dumb jerk. i can play this game with u till the next of never. ur gonna have stupid jerk stuff to say n imma have some stuff to say right back. lol as ignorant u think i may be, i feel the same way about u. i'm gonna say whatever the monkey it is that i think, n ur gonna say whatever it is the monkey that u think. this is called a FORUM dip stuff ur just as poking irritating as any other person who posts in here can be when they want to. more so because the majority of the ppl in here don't agree with your neo nazi facist jerk. keep going buddy i got plenty more to say to you, all i'm waiting for is for you to make more stupid jerk remarks. and if you really dislike me, like i said ill leave an open challenge for you to meet me. lol, only dumb jerk politicians and irritating people who think they know all the facts are out of touch of reality to sit there and talk about stuff they wouldn't go do themselves. u want war so bad? go pick up a gun n get ur jerk in iraq n do whatever it is u think should b done. don't say that we should send our innocent friends/family/sons/daughters/fathers/mothers to do ur own sick dirty work. i kno ull never have enuff balls to step into a ring with me to prove your point let alone go to iraq and fight a war that u only u and a minority of others believe in and a war that the majority of the ppl here feel that we should pull out ASAP. screw you and your facist ideas and as long as you got something to say ill have something else to say. keep going buddy i got nothing but time to rebute against ignorant ppl like u. im waiting...

+1...and the violence is way out of line

freedom of speech is exactly that a freedom, but that does not give way to respecting others. To fully take advantage of a freedom one should be able to restrain themselves as well as act upon it, not just acting upon it and not considering consquences. Besides freedom of speech isn't completely free, yelling fire in a movie theater will get you some jail time.

lol...dude i'm not interested in your propoganda. we're gonna go back and forth on these issues forever. i think you're a nut job and you think i lack the knowledge. knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong person's hands. i honestly think you're a fanatical loon and as long as you keep posting your mindless dribble, ill have something to say. my opinions are based upon the reality of whats actually going on, not neo-facist propoganda. you're propetuating war based on religion is that what you're getting at w/ your Wahabism search? You're willing to wage war because they're intolerant of our ways? "Wahabism - a conservative and intolerant form of Islam that is practiced in Saudi Arabia." So you don't like them cuz they're intolerant, but then again you're intolerant too cuz you're not willing to let them believe what they wanna believe. Get your mind correct, we're fighting a war in Iraq, if u notice Wahabism is practice in Saudi BIN LADEN IS IN SAUDI. Are we fighting a religious war here or are we fighting to free the people of Iraq from tyranny or are we looking for weapons of mass destruction. Starfish i said it b4 and ill say it again you're a nut job and you really need to get smacked back into reality. We're not having the crusades anymore, its not a holy war we're fighting. I really don't know y i bother arguing with thick headed individuals as yourself, but then i remember, someone has got to give you people a swift kick in the arse. Keep coming with it starfish i have plenty more thoughts for you.

running the show mayb. giving more support n supplies would help more. the US alone produces enough crops to feed every person in the world. yet we still have world hunger. if we went over there to "run the show" we'd just force our stuff on to them. they'd be losing their heritage and history, and quite frankly is enough to make them hate us. if were want to build the world to be more like us we need to do it in a way that the people who we are trying to help don't take it as us trying to over run them. there will be a revolt every time if we try to strong arm.

no way i can agree w. u on that one. theres no way bum rushing other countries and forcing our ways on them will ever be accepted. think about it this way. if we started that a hundred years ago...we'd pretty much b pushing the idea that slavery was the right thing to do n everyone needs to do it cuz we're doing it. how long do u think it would of taken civil right leaders to break through that barrier? plus, the roman empire fell...sooner or later so will our society. probably not in our life time but in the next century or 2 it will. empires don't last more then several hundred years.

no apology needed, but accepted just the same. and i apologize for the misunderstanding. but to continue the debate. never under estimate anyone. no body is above killing or being killed. 9/11 happened because we under estimated the terrorist's infiltration to our country. the US and all its allies are a force to be rekoned w/ but dosen't make us invincible. we're goliath they can easily be david. under estimate our enemies and provoking retaliation is surly a risk we need not be taking. its just like our cars...ppl under estimate the potential and powers of our volvos, but what happens? we blow out from under the radar and the other drivers never knew what hit them. we need to be prepared to take the defensive instead of striking w/ the offensive. cuz our focused attention is the task at hand, we completely miss the fact that they've penetrated what little guard we have up and we get KOed.

i don't see how you linked buddhist and hindu's into my question. random statements can easily fuel tempers consider what you're acutally posting. i told you, i probably misunderstood what u were saying, but i did say it b4 hand.

im buddhist, but im american first...buddhist tend to be more passive and let things go. i guess its my civil rights that put me on edge. i don't take kindly to ppl forcing their views on others or threatening anything im associated to. i don't outright threaten ppl, but i do leave open challenges. like i said, mayb i misunderstood what u wrote, but from what i read it was somewhat negative towards islamic, buddhist and hindu ppl. im calm as long as everyone else is calm n there is a civil discussion going on.

The hell is that supposed to mean? You'd support attacking people based upon relgious beliefs? I'm buddhist, so u gonna make something of that? I'm not nearly as fearful of a country talking about shooting a missle at me as i am of a man holding a gun to my head telling me i'm about to die. As easy as it is for a man to kill another man for no other reason then one gave the other a funny look...that man can easily be you. Y the hell are we worried about freeing a country that didn't ask to be free (revolution would of been just as plausible for them as it was for us) and we're not worrying about the rising crime rate ie. violent sex crimes, kidnappings, murders hell even the drug money being made to fund the terrorist on our own soil. I really hope that i'm misunderstanding you in your previous post, because if that means you'd rather attack people for not believing what you think they should believe in...your just another neo-nazi terrorist...and i'd b ashamed to be associated with you in this forum.

Whats your view of Islam in general? But it sounds like you're basing your perception of Muslims on what has been linked w/ terrorist. If you truly believe all of that is from Islamic belief...i must say you're dumber then i thought. I can accept the fact that you stand fast on your opinions, however poorly based, because thats an American right. But if you're gonna start lumping a group of people together and talk stuff, you're just another neo-nazi loon. And i don't take kindly to discrimination at all. What is your problem that you think everything can be solved w/ war? If violence is truly the answer, i challange you to come down here n get in a sparring ring with me. I'll give you 2 rounds to knock me out n then ill descimate you. Thats whats going on over there, we're in round 2 n we haven't knocked them out yet, so we're just pissing em off. What do you think is gonna happen when its time for them to fight back? 9/11 is gonna look like a drive by if they decide to run a full assualt on our soil. Our boys should be here guarding our boarders, not over there losing lives. You advocate something you're too chicken stuff to do yourself...don't tell people to do stuff you don't have the balls to do. And my challenge stands, if you truly believe violence is an answer...i'm more then willing to provide you with a live action example of what of "controled violence" is and mayb ull get the picture of what is going on over there. You're welcome to your opinions, but please keep them down to a minimal...your ignorance is dumbfounding. +100 :lol:

our boys need to come home period. enough is enough we need to finish cleaning up that mess n get our boy's asses back here. sitting here talking about if we're gonna "bomb the livin shizzle" outta someone else should be the farthest thing from our minds. kuzia60 lets just lay off of razor, we made our point in the last thread. razor you're definite on your standpoint so lets agree to disagree. instead of mindless arguing amonst ourselves about the "necessity" or "foolishness" of war, how about we pray that no more families get the call that their sons/daughters aren't gonna make it home for their next birthday. RIP Fallen heros... Bless the heros that are still there...

O i kno our soilders support the war n won't leave till we're done what we went there to do. I was raised by a soilder i had the the lessons taught to me. Don't start what you can't finish, If your gonna do something do it all the way, and always back and support your troop, battalion and country. I don't deny any soilder regretting what they're doing. But what i'm saying is run a poll n see how many soilders think us rushing iraq was a good move. n ull see what kind of response you get. all my marine n army buddies support what we're doing there, and i support what they're doing too, but when i ask them was it right for us to do what we did, they'll gave me a drop dead no. They support the rebuilding of Iraq not the dismantiling of it.

lol yea there is right and wrong good and evil. So the people of Iraq must suffer the wrath of the US because of the foolish attempt to undermine us by some people from afghanistan? Does any remember where the 9-11 terrorist came from? Do you honestly think i'll sit back and let you try to tell me our soilders aren't worthy to voice their MORE THEN WORTHY opinion on the war? Our boys over there do need to be heard, y do only prick politicians who are too chicken stuff to go over there n fight for their Darn selves like to sit back and judge and spout off idiotic propoganda and underestimate the vaule of our soilders? Be a man n stand up already then. Your so good at putting anyone else who isn't as closed minded into the coward category, y the hell don't u go fight for our freedom if you believe in it so Darn much? Because your just as Darn cowardly as any other politician who sits his fat jerk in a $5000 leather office chair safely away from the bullets and gunfire. Did i say throw up the white flag? I said get our boys out of a fight we're not supposed to be in. U wanna find Osma go to his country. Police don't raid a crack house by busting in the building next door. O n just in case u try to spin the issue, ill cut u off before u can. Did we find any evidence of biological weapons in Iraq? A couple of canisters of nothing dosen't prove jack stuff. I'm as patriotic as any other man in this country. And ill fight for all my rights as a citizen, given to me by the establishers of this nation. But this nation was built on equality and honoring the differences of others. Too bad it only applied to white people at the time. Minorities and women had to suffer and fight for generations to get to where we are today, and you're sitting here trying to tell us that Iraqi people, muslim people aren't better then us and we NEED to go over there n tear up their country so we can make it "better" for them. Yea we removed a tyrant, it only leaves room for another, bigger one to step in. You really think just because we give them a constitution some stupid titles, and teach them how to be crooked politicians everything is gonne be alright? The shiites and sunis are still going to fight, and they're going to try to corrupt the polls so they majority leaders in office will be their own groups. We can't change a society we don't kno jack stuff about. Our ways are not necessairly the right ways...and do you realize within this next century our way of life and society will crumble? Empires don't last forever and superpower will fall. Our currency is extremely unstable, 60% around 300 billion dollars of our circulating currency is outside the US. The euro is getting stronger then the dollar. Its all signs of a weakening economy and if we don't step up and take care of ourselves b4 we go and take care of someone else, the american dream has a good chance of collapsing. You think of yourself as a patriot and we're protecting ourselves, what part of Iraq belongs to the US people then? Get that in your mind, your kids' world is going to be an entirely different place. Hope you take satisfaction in the knowledge that you supported the war on terrorism, and forgot to support your kids future in better education, better health care, clean enviroment, and the wonderful idea that she had the chance to walk down the street w/ out worrying terrorist are going to retaliate on him/her because his/hers daddy n his buddies pissed em off. Buddhism teaches true equality and every man has the right to believe in what he wants to believe in as long as it does no harm to any other man and does not try to force it upon any other nonbeliever and does not harm himself, and no man has the right to take that away. You're not god, and your sure as hell not anybody's god...who says you have the right to take away another man's beliefs? That is what makes a terrorist a terrorist, when you try to take away the other man's beliefs. We're just another form of terrorist. We went and terrorised another country, we just don't call it that because we have all the money and technology so we say its not...wow what a wonderful thought, get away with crime as long as we have money and technology to do so. What happens when we can't anymore? Lol your awake now becuase you thinking your fighting a good fight? Bro you don't know jack stuff, get out on the front lines and be "wide awake now." Your thoughts are just as valid as my thoughts. I think you're wrong you think i'm wrong n we can play this game till the 33rd of Never. It wouldn't change a Darn thing. Because as long as i'm open minded to your ideas i can shurg it off n say ok..he has a point, but you on the other hand will never accept an opposing idea no matter how true it could be if you already believe otherwise. Your closed mindedness will be what continues this fight, because you won't accept it until you make every one agree to what you say. As for me i could care less about what you and starfish think, but ill be damned if i sit back and stay quite while you oppress the rest of the VS board and american people that dosen't agree. Silence will mean you made me agree to what you believe in and as long as I'm heard, i won't be ignored. So keep fighting the good fight, i can do it too, cuz we're here at a computer just typing, while our boys are taking gun fire and casualties and what we say isn't going to make a difference.

lol dude u don't phase me at all. ur trying to justify us blowing the crap out of a country by saying we're gonna fix it all up wen we're done. good job. imma burn down ur IMO old crappy house now, n build ya a brand spanking new one just cuz i can n i think its better. yea, the american soilders are gaining support from iraqi citizens everyday. n everyday the american citizens are rallying to pull our boys out of there. check bush's approval rating smart guy, he's not fooling anyone with this bs anymore. i've lost 2 friends to this war n they were fresh out of high school. go tell their parents their sons died cuz they were fixing another country. see how fast u get thrown out. they died for their country n thats a noble honor, but its deaths that could of been avoided. don't tell me about being a disgrace, my father was an w/ the 52nd air born army rangers. he was the only vietnamese man fighting in the vietnamese war on the american side. the only reason im not in the military is cuz of pre-existing health issues, but i won't even trying to speak on all the soilder's behalf. hotdog head bureaucrats like u really shouldn't even try commenting for soilders who stand the front lines either. instead of sitting there making judgements on situations ur not even in get ur jerk on the front line n then come back n talk. y is it that the idiots who stir up trouble sit back n let innocent ppl do their dirty work? give bush n this nut sack some guns n ship their asses to iraq n see how long they last.

lol...dude, like i said ur kind thinks only u can be right and there is no other...ur just as bad as them. we bomb their cities and homes, they blow themselves up in crowds. its tit for tat and fools like u believe only u can be right. their values n virtues make them believe they're doing whats right for them, and u believe what we are doing whats right. all of u fools who believe only u are right are one of a kind, n u guys can't stand that so u try to obliterate them. i hope one day ull realize your foolishness destroyed this world, not "the other guy" we're just as guilty as them...we've become terrorist of another kind. hope ur children enjoy living in nuclear fall out, cuz thats the only direction we're heading as long as fools like u believe we're just fighting a "holy war" n we let fools like u drag us into a fight we didn't ask to be in. we just have the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time taking crossfire from the idiots w/ the loaded guns. quick question i bet u think islam is an inferior religion huh? so sad that u fight because u believe in the same thing just from different view points...and everyone else gets to suffer. i could of swore this country was founded to get away from religious persecution. good job at proving ur just another crackpot looking to get a rise out of normally level headed ppl who just don't have the restraint not to protest against M O R O N S...=) good day jack jerk

i can't believe u even went there...ur going to try to break this down n tell us that us sending our troops overseas to fight n possible die for what we believe in is so much higher and almighty then islamic people straping bombs to their bodies n going out to die for what they believe in? dude they are both wrong n pointless. we are doing what we doing because we think we're right and trying to force our views on the rest of the world that dosen't agree with us, and they're fighting back by doing whatever it is it takes to get the point of what they believe in across. people like you are incapeable of realizing the world dosen't revolve around your small mindedness. people like you, who think only what you say and think is right and every other single person who says something or thinks otherwise is wrong. is precisely the reason y this world is burning down in a violent mess. men who think power n respect is owed instead of earned r the fools who tear their famlies, countries and this planet apart. i kno none of what i say will ever sink into your thick headed skull, and no matter how any other VS member feels, your simple mind will never comprehend the fact that our countries ideas are not the almighty truth, not the one and only fact and not what should be grossly accepted and unquestioned. think about this for yourself, why do so many countries dislike us so much? its cuz people like you put leaders like you in office who piss off people like them. y do they get pissed off? cuz those people are as thick headed and unaccepting of any ideas that don't match thier own, as you are. a negative plus a negative will never ever make a positive. just like me posting this negative jerk post won't make this thread any better...so ill end my views here

lemme guess your a hardcore republican from the south and you probably come from old money? am i right? Why are u still complaing about supporting clinton? He's been out of office for 5 years and in the last 8 yrs that he was in office, he did what he was supposed to do, take care of this country (personal issues aside). The people voted and put him there, next time get more support for the candidate you want and vote and don't be bitter if your candidate loses. Global warming should be a major concern, it means we're screwing up this planet beyond belief and its about time that you stopped worrying about a man who has no more politcal power over the American people and start worrying about the 20+ hurricanes last year (attributed to rising temps in the oceans) because another katrina or rita will happen. Start worrying about that "tiny" whole in the ozone, and all the smog shadowed cities in the world. All the problems we're facing w/ mother nature and the enviroment is because of our own foolish acts. If you still don't think global warming is an issue for you to worry about, then wrap your head around these things; world hunger, poverty, disease or the idiot sitting behind a console w/ his finger next to the launch switch of a nuke. Clinton isn't a factor, neither is bush, the democrats or the republicans, its us the human race that you should worry about. What is the world gonna be like by the time your child is your age? Clinton won't be around then, but i bet you all the problems we're facing now still will be. I'm not hating becuase you voiced your opinion, I'm hating because you spend your time digging out an article that has been "deep sixed by the major media" to come here n show to us that your pettiness and contempt for a man long gone for office is greater then your concern for the planet, your fellow man and the future for your children.