Piston Slapper

What's a far more outrageous incident is the Eric Garner killing, cops have been banned from using a choke hold like that since 1993. That's a clear case of excessive force.

No one is denying race is an issue. But that issue just has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I already told you what mine was, the two cases out of the recent ones you listed where some outrage and investigation is actually called for. Crawford and Hunt.

Ever since the Supreme Court "reinterpreted" (broke their oaths to uphold) the constitution and effectively changed 'probable cause to get a warrant' to 'probable cause or a warrant', we've been screwed.

You're wrong, we were discussing one specific incident and certain people aren't able to have a reasoned discussion of it without bringing up things that, while a problem are not directly relevant to the specific incident being discussed. Here's what got us on a roll, specific incident: Like it or not, they were probably operating within the bounds of the law, they didn't arrest you, just detained you. To someone who didn't know what was going on, it could have easily looked like a person leaving a drug dealer's residence after making a purchase. They were probably investigating someone in the same subdivision and were trying to flip you on the dealer. Happens every day in baltimore, regardless of whether you have anything to do with the criminal activity. Hell, it's happened to me on the side of I95. They didn't search my car, but they did detain and search me and have a drug dog sniff around my car. Same bullshit reasons. Does that happening to either of us have anything to do with Michael Brown being shot after he punched a cop repeatedly in the face? No.

Yet again you're trying to bring other things into this that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject. Subjective views of police in general have nothing to do with this specific incident. I'm well aware there are tons of dirty cops out there who will make anyone's life a living hell, don't have to be any particular race, just poor, homeless, etc. Those cops are just looking for people they can take advantage of... but there's no evidence of that in this case and tons of evidence the Brown did his damnest to get shot.

You're delusional if you're going to argue with what was caught on tape, which was robbery and assault. No sane person can see that and claim that Michael Brown was anything but a violent criminal. The store owner has been a little busy dealing with the vandals and looters celebrating the death of a criminal with more criminal activities. That's not how it works. The whole point of the grand jury is to see if there is any evidence to support the suspicions. Suspicion alone is not worth taking to trial. If there is evidence to support the suspicion, they'll indict. If there isn't, they won't. The system can't just skip that important step because you want to persecute police for doing their jobs. Brown and Martin got what they asked for. The "toy gun" the 12 year old had looked fairly realistic, at a distance they're not going to assume it's fake, 12yo's get their hands on real guns often enough. Crawford and Hunt are the only ones where some real outrage is call for, but in Crawford's case it's more properly directed at the person who called the police and gave a false report rather than the officer responding to a call of that nature.

And right here is proof he doesn't know what he's talking about. There was no revolver. Wilson had a Sig Sauer and no backup gun.

Considering the physical evidence supports that scenario and that's the scenario described by all credible witnesses... yes, that's what happened and no, I'm not willing to consider anyone's wishful fantasies.

Doesn't really matter what the beginning of the encounter entailed, there's nothing Wilson could have yelled or done with his car to excuse someone reaching into his car, punching him repeatedly and trying to steal his weapon to shoot him. But what do I expect from nutjobs who think you shouldn't be able to shoot people who break into your house?

Well, yes, but if there's no enough evidence to get an indictment, there's not a snowballs chance in hell of a conviction. It's a pipe dream that has no basis in reality. Someone being shot while charging a police officer after assaulting the same police officer and trying to steal (and most likely kill) said police officer is NOT a victim. Just a criminal who committed suicide by cop.

The indictment doesn't really matter that much, what would bring him to trial is charges being filed, which can be done with or without an indictment. The main purpose of the grand jury indictment proceedings is to leave the decision of whether or not to indict him, and thus charge him, in the hands of the people rather than the state's attorney.

I've read the grand jury material. I don't watch either of those channels, or any television at all for that matter. Keep making incorrect assumptions and living in your own special snowflake bubble. You're worse than a tumblr feminist. Oh, and prosecutors don't do the indicting, grand juries do. Charging someone that didn't get indicted would be retarded.

Oh no, you know a guy who knows a guy! Yes, if you're saying any of that anecdotal crap about the area has anything to do with what happened in this one specific incident between this officer and this criminal, acting like it would have made a difference if one or both of them was of a different skin color, you're being a race baiting, riot inciting, tool bag. It wouldn't have mattered if this had been in the worst part of the south during the 1950s... the setting doesn't change the facts. Trying to reframe it to gloss over the facts and present this as a racial issue is disingenuous and an insult to those who still deal with real civil rights issues.

Sure, as soon as you take your race baiting, riot inciting bullshit elsewhere. For once I'm in 100% agreement with Oreo. Get your head out of the sand.

So... you're saying an officer pulling up in front of you and asking you a question is a good reason to start punching him in the face? You think a police officer just doing his job is provocation to attack him? Are you criminally insane? Sorry, but in the real world police aren't supposed to act like scared little girls like you seem to think. They're supposed to confront criminals. If the criminal is crazy enough to attack them then they're supposed to shoot. Michael Brown committed suicide by attacking a police officer. There's no other way to put it.

He was attacked while still in his car, where he was waiting for back up... was he supposed to drive off because there was one criminal in the area? One officer should be able to confront one unarmed shoplifter anyway. If said shoplifter commits suicide by cop, that's on him.

Yeah... why would they object to wearing them all the time if they don't have anything to hide?

Worse than the window lift?

Ah, I thought it was all supporting... never mind then.

Anyone have a source for more of these? I'd like to get like a dozen to stock alongside remote cases.

Click the number and you can see who gave a post what.

Indeed it is Fudge, but I think if there's not overwhelming, irrefutable evidence (or a confession), they shouldn't be getting a full life sentence either.

Yes, I was working under the assumption they'd been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, lost every appeal (including the extra evidentiary review/appeal death penalty cases have in most places), and would otherwise be in a cell until they died of old age or prison violence. It's certainly not something that should be done lightly or without damning evidence. And this is why the guy was still on death row and not dead yet, he was still in the appeals process. I also think there should be a pretty steep penalty for prosecutors who railroad people to pad their conviction rate, up to and including a manslaughter charge for proceeding with a case that leads to an innocent man getting executed.

I'm all for capital punishment, I don't think there should be such a thing as a life sentence. If they've done something heinous enough they can never be released, we should just put them in front of a firing squad after they've exhausted their appeals and whatnot.