I have shitty voxx 18'' w/ really good Nitto Envo's. The tires were more expensive than the wheels. The clear coat on the lip is peeling and I have minor curb rash on some edges. They are still true, as I know not to hit H-town pot-holes. I would say they tires still have %70 tread (they were $170 a piece in January of 07'). If you know how to do wheel work and restore wheels then we can talk . . . otherwise I am an honest man and would rather F'up discount tire . . .