volvo did the same thing with thier rwd cars .... hell even some of the fwd's are like that, never mind the volvo's had a lot more power .. most cars had a turbo, or you could just bolt on a turbo to an n/a engine and make lots of power and still last 400k+ if taken care of ....tho if i was trusting my life in an accident i would much rather be in a volvo than a toyota ... so why is not volvo near the top? maybe they just cost to much ... but hey the old used cars should of been more popular yea sure the old toyo trucks are nice but i have been in and worked on lots of thier cars and eh is all i can say about them... the 22re is one of the best engines i have seen as they love to just take abuse myself i would much rather prefer a honda to drive engine/drivetrain wise if we are talking about Japanese imports. toyota is nothing special tho they figured out a way to do it w/o any kind of fun car for the last few years ya'll can trash talk nascar all you want but untill you have done racing like that you really have no place to say how hard or easy it is ... i used to race 1/4 mile clay oval and trust me ... a lot lot lot harder than you think(tho loads of fun on clay). and there is cheating in anything that people compete in ... that is just how the world works as this is why we have rules and what not to try to stop the people that cheat as everyone wants to be #1 and will do whatever it takes to do it hell we used to cheat to make weight as otherwise we could not even compete with the others on the track(was a 2bbl limited class and a few ran 4bbl's and other tricks to get extra air in... you would be amazed @ how quick they could swap carbs on an engine so by the time the tech guy got there it would be back to a 2bbl).... either way we would always find the heaviet guy in our crew and have him drive the car up to tech even tho he did not fit @ all. along w/ sometimes lean on the car so that side of it meets the weight spec. then again i think everyone did that to meet weight i'd love to see nascar use OEM spec cars and blocks and have to build those up to 700hp and make them last .. that would be fun either way down with limits let them go 300mph around the track just build larger walls to keep them from killing as many people when they crash