djscoggins

Umm... this battery weighs more like 50+lbs. and its a hazardous material. If UPS will ship it, I wouldnt trust their handling even on a tough dry cell battery. I would recommend local only. As a side note, return it to autozone and tell them that it doesnt accomodate your needs, they are pretty liberal on their returns. (worked with AZ for 4 years)

Our faith is the evidence in things unseen. And whether you like it or not Christians will always be here some quietly and some not... offering to share our experiences and relationship with our savior. Read and believe or disbelieve. God gave you the choice, its called free will.

Aye this thread could infact, go on til Rapture. Some do not recieve te gospel well, and it can be offensive to some. But I do believe that God reveals himself to all of us at one time or many in our lives, and some will either recieve him and some will reject him. It is choice. that choice is yours alone. For me there is no "comission check" gained for telling others about Christ. No quotas. No personal gain for me whatsoever. Only glory in his name. And the love for all of my brothers and sisters. In Romans chapter 2 it says "God leads to repentance thru love". Not punishment, or intimidation or scare tactics. Love. Yes there are consequences, and I share because He commanded me to love others as he loved me. His will that none should perish. I heard Dr. Mark rutland on the radio last night and he said He had red a poll in a magazine a few years back, about what phrases americans most like to hear. That is, from other people. The top 3 were: 1. I love you. He said that people want to hear this. Reaffirmation that you are loved. And America wants to be loved. I like for my wife to tell me she loves me. 2. I forgive you. This he said was 2nd because Americans want to be forgiven for grievances against friends and families. And that america has a guilty conscience. I agree with this because I feel horrible if I agrue with someone over something and I was wrong or if I was angry or mean in getting my point across. 3. Suppers ready! This one was just funny. I even laughed when I heard this. These were the top 3. This is also reminesenct of what Jesus says to you. I love you... unconditionally. I forgive you... your sins are forgiven and you are clean. Suppers ready... come home... and eat at my table. Merry Christmas guys :)

"hmm.. then why is a few cells considered life when it comes to abortion? if a few cells is considered life, should not sperm be considered life? it has potential too.. either way, all life share very similar cellular metabolic pathways, such as cell division, cell replication.. there are numerous examples that bridge various families in the biological kingdom, even if we can't find our own missing link." A single celled organism floating around in the ocean is far from a zygote or a sperm, yes they are both made up of cells but are not the "same". The bible even says its better for a mans seed to go into the belly of a whore than be wasted. Also Im not saying cells do not have certain properties, but to think that life was created from a cosmic explosion all of this is merely chance... is silly to me.

"Believers' lives are not any diffirent from those of non believers." You are mistaken I know this for fact. I am witness to the blessings in my own life each and every day. Unless you dont believe in me either. "You can credit a whole bunch of things to an invisible force. If I flip a coin and it lands where i guessed it would I can credit this to God. Or I could realise there was a 1 in 2 chance. Your pick." If a loved one in your family was (hypothedically of course) stricken with a terminal malady of some sort and no doctors were able to diagnose it, let alone treat it, who would you turn to for support and healing? what would be you next course of action after man has failed you?would you seek help from our closest relative in the animal kingdom, chimps, or would you pray for them? Or maybe flip a coin and try something else? "Who are you (or anyone of us) to decide something happened either by chance or by act of god period? Because humanity doesnt have all the answers doesnt mean you need to invent them. And yes, invent is the right word because it holds as much water so say we were created by creatures from an alien universe. Same amount of evidence. Look at animals. They have an extremely limited understanding of their surroundings. We humans are blessed with a huge amount of knowledge relative to animals, yet we only have a few pieces of the puzzle determined for sure. The fact that our understanding is limited should not have any relation to the existance of a supernatural power! It is in fact quite irrelevant to draw "conclusions" because of it. Now please read the article." As easily as you discredit my beliefs and values I would think it would be obvious to you that I am entitled to believe or not believe anything I choose. Some people do not believe in the moonlanding or dinosaurs... Again this is free will. Then you speak of being "blessed with knowledge", just where do you think this knowledge came from? A single celled organism? Primates? "I'm sorry are you serious? Lucifer? Was he on Jay Leno's show recently or something?" Yes Satan himself... Do you "not not" believe in him as well? "Yes, yes we can....were you serious?" Tell which way the wind will blow and how hard tomorrow at my house. "There is the theory of evolution, and there are facts of evolution. Evolution has been recreated in controlled experiments and observed in nature. Furtermore, "facts" are things which are determined on grounds of evidence, calculation and observation. None of which are found in your claims by the way. You also seem to be a little behind in knowing what has been established and what not, if I can be so free to point this out... Stop thinking so narrowly and read this http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-miscon...ons.html#chance Evolution is a word that involves more than the Darn theory first formulated by Darwin." You have not even looked into my "claims". Why whould I entertain your references when you will not do the same for me?. Bottom line is this yes you are free to believe anything you wish. There are some things in this world that man "thinks" he has figured out and places equations on. When the whole time there is probably much more to the subject. The bible even refers to a vast growth of knowledge in the end times. I do not claim to be the best to debate this topic because I am still young in my walk, but I will pray that someone will come into your life who can give you a perspective that will speak to your heart better than I can. I do not give up tho, you remain in my prayers.

"Ya know...you're free to believe whatever you like and everyone should respect that Just dont try to act like you're right and we're wrong because fact of the matter is...you have absolutely nothing to base yourself on." Im not "trying to act like I'm right". I am simply sharing Gods love with anyone who has ears. Believe or not, it's your decision, thats why you have free will. And then you talk about fact on my basis for belief... on whos authority do you command such knowledge? The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Find a believer, not just a christian, and ask them what God has done in their life. "Earlier I was reading how "spiritual" feelings can be perfectly recreated in the lab...people would actually feel a presence near them when all what was being done to them was some electrical signals fed onto their head, heck some people cried and called it a beautiful experience even though they knew they were in a lab." Ask me how many times I have needed the aid of a "lab" to feel Gods presence... Go ahead ask me... God said "Where two or more are gathered in my name I am in their midst". And the holy spirit dwells within me. "There is nothing, absolutely nothing at all that even points into a direction of there being a higher something." You think that all of creation was an "Accident"? As stated before I cannot believe that all life on earth is merely the evolution of a lucky cell. "And in the end the only argument you can have is "well I know there is". Stay with what makes you happy, by all means...life's too short to not live it in the way you like. Just dont come off with the whole i'm right and you're wrong attitude in this matter." Yes life is too short, that is why I share this with people. And this isn't about my attitude, this is Gods word and his covenant. "You cant demonstrate God in any way or form unless you consider fantasy a demonstration. Note however I am not saying God cannot possibly exist." You require proof to believe but you will not deny his existance. Sir even Lucifer himself believes in christ. Do you think that when jesus returns he will symphathize with your "I never said I didn't believe, doesn't that count for somethin'?" approach? Im afraid that will not suffice. "Gravity is a defined force, one which is even mathematically consistent. You're comparing this to what again?" In relation to my faith in the unseen. Can you calculate the wind also? "I'd like to compare gravity to evolution, while we're at it. Some extremists like to point out evolution is a theory. Well its also a fact much like gravity is. To quote someone (I forgot who) "when Einstein's theory of relativity replaced Newton's theory of gravity, apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air pending the outcome" Here you state that evolution is "fact"... how do you know this? where you there when it happened? Even Einstein believed in a supernatural force, or being.

1."Of course it appears to me that the bottom line of your story is people themselves need things to believe/have faith in, and I agree. Of course this whole belief in a higher power is also something that it needed by some people, and not by others, and those "others" are not off any worse because of it at all. It all depends on your personal needs. And when you come as far as that, take into account there is no direct or indirect evidence of a higher power....just people needing one.....well...you can see where i'm going with this" ...yet another refrenece to people being "weak". Everyone, at some point or another in their lives will realize that they are "broken" or have a fault. There will be a point in which one cannot take care of a problem or situation. Or an event that is simply to much to bear on their own. Some people will seek council in friends, family, shrinks, and some will seek the council of god. The only one who can give closeure(spelling?) and the peace that one seeks, is Jesus. Man cannot forgive me of my sins. My transgressions, or my wrongs. Plain and simple. You will be in need one day, and after you have exhausted all of your resources and still have not found peace and the love you will seek, He will be there with open arms. But if you tarry too long and he returns before you reconcile... then it will be too late. I say dont waste this time. Its like finding a lost parent near the end of their life and having only a few years with them instead of the lifetime you could have shared. 2."If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." Voltaire This is a funny quote, and it is flawed.If he did not exist then how would we know we need him? You cannot create that which is already there. He is Alpha and Omega. You were created by him and he knew you before there was time. He knew your name and what color your eyes would be. I do not have my faith because I was told to. I believe because I have felt his presence in my life and I see his works in the lives of others. I know He has a place for me. He has a place for all of us. All we have to do is swallow our sinful pride and humble ourselves and ask for forgiveness, and repent. "Ask and ye shall recieve" "Knock and the door shall be opened" 3."If god really existed, it woud necessary to abolish him." - KMFDM. He does. Good luck. 4. "Yeah...but its not possible. Anyone who really believes (in anything) cant possibly think rationally or logically on the subject, negating any point of reasonable arguments." I have no problem thinking... rationally, logically or otherwise. Its just that this is not a normal debate. Its like someone trying to share gravity with you. I cant literally show you gravity to you. But I can demonstrate its effects.

The "wager" quote is something to get the wheels turning in peoples heads, or to get them to relate to and talk about. It is similar to the questions of "Do you belive in good and evil?","Do you believe in a heaven or a hell?" "Do you believe in God and the Devil?" or "If you died right now would you go to heaven or hell? Why?" These are some of the ways to initiate a conversation to possibly share your testimony and Jesus with someone. My faith is not based on "odds" It is a personal relationship with Jesus.

I know this quote is a little out context of your paragraph... but the same can be said for both sides... All a believer can do is share with you, and pray for god to work in your life, you make up your mind after that. As was already said," If I'm wrong I'ved lost a lifetime, and if you are wrong you will have lost an eternity." And remember, it isn't just the bible you refrence to for your evidence. Look at a believer... someone who has truely accepted and given all control over to jesus. His/her testimony will be proof. The deeds and blessings god has done in their life is evidence. I admit I did not truley give my life to the lord at first and I strayed, but recently I have given all to the will of Jesus and I have had an amazing month. Re 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." 2Co 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new"

Agreed. I have to be honest, I thought this discussion was going to be... well not so pretty. But I want you all to know that I appreciate the respect that is being shown between the different members. Topics like this show that we truly have intelligent and insightful people in this forum(Believers and non-believers). Aside from my horrible spelling that is... :P

"There isn't much you can say that will make me believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God" Does this mean if we say the right thing then you will believe? Jesus refused to prove himself to the Pharasies when they demanded for him to prove he was the messiah. And somehow they failed to see all the people he healed and ministered too. Until it was too late. When jesus died on the cross the veil was torn into and It was said "Truely this was the Son of God". I beg you not to wait, dont put this off... at least open your mind and read some scripture and let him talk to you. One day you and I will have to give account for all of our time on this earth. You name will only appear in the book of life if you put your faith in Jesus. Or you will suffer eternity seperated from him. "The fact that nearly every major religion has some version of a book inspired by Divinity leads me to conclude that it is part of the religious formula." We have the holy bible as an "instruction manual" of sorts... I believe that the bible is here so we have it to refer too in all of our affairs. There is no formula... God gave us the bible so that his word is written, and unchanged(I believe), not just remembered. I could see the bible being lost in translation or changing meaning or changing all together if man passed it down generation to generation thru spoken word. Like playing "Operator" the original meaning or word isnt always the same at the end of the line.

I will try ask my Pastor if there is other scripture on it on sunday, but in the meantime I found this answer at Gotquestions.org: Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?" Answer: The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw the practice altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many people don't understand is that slavery in the Bible times is completely different from the slavery that was practiced in the United States in the 1700s and 1800s. The slavery in the Bible was not based on race at all. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more of a social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their family. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, even politicians were slaves of someone else for one reason or another. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their master. The slavery of the 1700s and 1800s was based on skin color. Black people were considered slaves because of their nationality, most slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings to white people. This is similar to the slavery the Jews experienced when they were in Egypt. The Jews were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Jews (Exodus 13:14). The plagues God poured out on Egypt demonstrate how God feels about racial slavery (Exodus 7-11). So, yes, the Bible does condone slavery. However, the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

Sorry I dont have my bible with me so i cant site the verse numbers for these... "Verily, I say unto you, lest a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of heaven" "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the father except thru me" You must understand this...All of us deserve hell and damnation for our sins...all but one. Jesus was without sin and he has taken the blame for our transgressions. That is compassion, love and grace. I feel the peace that comes with this... its hard to describe... but some things mean more to me now and some mean much less. For instance on some mornings I notice how beautiful the sky is, and how I picture God painting it for us to enjoy and marvel. And some things that I used to get mad at or aggrivated with, I now know that these are trivial things. Why be mad at some one when you can love them? Jesus teaches us to love all as he loved us. John: 3:16 "For go so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son." Our pastor had an intresting quote for us sunday... "Its better to be born twice and to die once than to be born once and die twice" Believers are born-again and die in the body, but not in the spirit, and spend eternity in paradise with God. But unbelievers are born only once and when they die, the body is dead and the soul is damned to hell and seperation from God for all eternity. Eternity is timeless... its forever.

John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Ex 20:12 " Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." Ex 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill." Ex 20:14 "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Ex 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal." Ex 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Yea that stuff is sooo ignorant...

Have at it (proving your point that is) Yes the germans were bad but the japanese killed an estimated 380,000 in 3 weeks in NanKing. Some historians said that the deathtoll has been estimated at 21-28 million people. Let that sink in a moment... thats probably 10% of the population of the entire USA at that time. They made children murder their own parents and fathers rape their daughters. I do not discredit the Hollocaust by any amount and I feel for the survivors and the people lost... but germany has made reperations to the jews... Japan has yet to even acknowledge much apologize or make reperations. The US isnt innocent either. Both situations were horrendous and should have never happened. The point of this thread was not to argue about who killed more people... it was the fact that I never heard of this event.